Note to my tens of loyal readers…the iPod Devotional Series will resume tomorrow.
You never know which weblogs will resonate with readers. I posted my response to the Rosie O’Donnell flap last week and almost immediately began receiving responses…both posted on the website and via emails. Most were overwhelmingly kind and encouraging. A few not so much. Regular readers of these ramblings know that we have some house rules here at Bad Christian Central. No personal attacks. No rude or inflammatory posts. No CYBER SHOUTING. The discourse at this site will remain civil and graceful. Why? Because I am paying for the server. Buy your own site and you can do what you want. Visit mine and those are the groundrules.
Having said that, I am learning that negative responses are often food for thought and opportunities for clarification. That is why I am taking a rare detour to address a couple of less than complimentary responses. While I doubt the original posters will ever read this the opportunity to clarify is important. First up is Ed who took exception with my article about Rosie.
So who gets to decide who is a christian and who isn’t. Apparently you believe this is your job. Everyone is allowed to be a christian in your eyes until they do or say something you disagree with and then you decree that they are not or never were a christian. Convenient for you but not in any way related to the reality of the situation.
Let me make one thing very clear if I haven’t before. God decides who is a Christian and who isn’t. If you can find any example where I wrote that any particular person is not a Christian (who claims to be) I will correct it. Because I don’t know the hearts of other people and for me to attempt to figure out who is really a Christian and who is not is walking on theologically thin ice. But I do think it is Biblically appropriate to evaluate the actions of those who take the name of Christ to see if those actions are consistent with His teachings. I submit myself to this standard willingly. If you find that I am doing something that damages the name of Christ I want to be gracefully but firmly corrected. There are an untold number of Christians who have done something I have disagreed with and I am sure they are still in the faith. As I grow older I am more convinced than ever that we need to focus on who unites us (Jesus) instead of the myriad of issues that divide us.
Here is my argument on the blanket application of the title Christian. There are sects and cults that appropriate the name into activities that violate the law of the land and of God’s Word. If a criminal dons a police uniform and does evil in that uniform he is not a policeman. No one talks about how “policemen” are phony because of actions like this. His actions do not mean that other police officers are bad and, fortunately, few see it that way. But when someone identified as a Christian does something evil it does seem to tarnish the entire faith to many who hear the news. That is my frustration when I write about the title Christian being used so casually. I believe it is biblically appropriate to judge actions but not salvation.
Allow me also to respond to what I think my “job” is as a follower of Christ. It is a simple job description. To work out my salvation with fear and trembling, to love the Lord my God with all of my heart and my neighbor as myself, to go and make disciples in the name of the Lord, and to do no damage to the precious name of Jesus. My job performance is inconsistent but slowly improving.
Reader Lisa responded with a couple of interesting observations. She listed a number of people who have discredited the faith with their actions or by taking controversial and/or unbiblical stands.
These are the Christians who unfortunately are front and center.
That is true. Every person that is in Christian leadership or speaks for the faith is accountable to God for their actions and words. And so am I with my itty-bitty little circle of influence that my books and modest blog have generated. Some celebrity Christians are front and center in the media but the reality is that I am front and center in my world. And you, Lisa, are front and center in your world. I can make a difference to those around me. You can do the same. I can love and serve those I come in contact with in the love of Jesus. And so can you. My experience is that when I love people and care and show them Jesus they don’t really care what TV Preacher Foghorn Blowhard said last week. I am accountable for me and I will answer for me on the judgment day. And you will answer for you. Period.
Minus some of the sanctimony in your blog, I wish you would gain a bigger stage. Then maybe us Christians can affect real change that is more consistent with teachings of Christ.
Okay Lisa, I am throwing a flag on that one for unfair use of terms. Dictionary.com defines sanctimony as pretended, affected, or hypocritical religious devotion, righteousness, etc. And frankly, you do not know me well enough to call my words pretended or hypocritical. If that description came from my wife, sons, workmates, or friends I will hit my knees in repentance. With all grace filled respect, you don’t have that knowledge. So…do you still want me to have a bigger stage?
Unfortunately, so-called “Christians” who espouse your views have little to no voice regarding public discourse, nor much power to affect public policy.
Here is the most thought provoking statement of all from Lisa. She is spot on right that I have little to no voice regarding public discourse, nor much power to affect public policy. But does that really matter? Is God looking for people of great influence or people of great obedience? Does He change history through the powerful or the prayerful? Would it make a greater difference to have a Christian legislature and court system or Christians truly living by His teachings?
God could have chosen a “Damascus Road” experience for the powerful politicians of Rome to jumpstart the early church. That would have been my strategy. God could have spoken directory to the influential philosophers and teachers of the era to get out His plan. That would have been my phase 2 marketing approach. But He chose to use the sold out lives of regular people. His plan remains the same. And whether you call it sanctimonious or not, I want to be a part of that plan.
Barbara Crincoli
Dave, you are spot on, and I applaud your agenda. We all who call ourselves Christians need to show boldness and to really stand-up for what we believe.
Your answers to your critics inspire me. We need to stop being people pleasers and be God pleasers. Everyone is not going to agree with our agenda, and that is OKAY because we have freewill to choose. Others will not always applaud for us, and that is OKAY because we shouldn’t seek applause for our actions. People will persecute us, Jesus said so. And that too is OKAY because we have to fellowship in Christ’s sufferings, not just his victories.
You spoke up, and I am proud of you and inspired by you. Most of all I am glad I found you and your website.
Michael Cooper
I am sorry that so many of us in the Kingdom do not have a sense of humor or humility. Thanks again for your timely and dare I say "Christlike" response to Miss O’Donnell.
I found out about your website through Crosswalk, and have found it to be both encouraging and challenging. Don’t let anyone dampen your enthusiasm for the truth.
May God continue to bless you as you seek Him.
Mike Cooper
Ross L. Gillum
Hi Dave,
We find scripture after scripture in the Holy Bible that tell us to both "encourage" and "exhort" other Christians. Any one reading any thing you write, that has the love of Christ in his or her heart, can see that you practice both, and in a kind and loving way. And if they humble themselves, and ask God’s help on understanding what you write, then the clarity will ring true.
It doesn’t sound like that you will allow anyone to discourage you, but please don’t if you are tempted. Please continue to wear your "breatplate of righteousness", and all the rest of your armor, as you try to "rightly divide the Word of Truth".
We as sinful men and women often want to change the truth to fit what WE want, and that is usually due to influence from secular views that we "like" better than the truth. From the time we are babes in Christ to where ever our individual spiritual lives are today, this will be true.
We, as Christians, need to understand that we are grafted in, and/or we are Israel, one of the two, but the two are one to God. We all have the right to salvation through Jesus Christ. We in America, need to grasp that we are "Ephraim" placed in a pleasant land until Christ returns, and we need to study this and see how worldly and secular we have all become, just as the scriptures declared we would. It is time for us as Christians to "come out of the whore Babylon", and repent to our loving Father God.
Christians must learn to practice more patience and love to each other, instead of the animosity and over-reaction we see on some of the responses to you. God tells us he is upset over the divisions in his "Church". We need to start listening to God first, and then we can descern your work and others work more readily. I ENCOURAGE any one to re-read this article about Rosie with a pure heart and look to scripture to confirm your stance, and walk away still in diasgreement.
You have done an excellent job of expressing facts, and I appreciate you and all the other folks with the time and talent to express yourself in print, for taking the trouble to publicly claim Christ, as you all continure to do.
God bless you in your efforts,
Ross L. Gillum
Snohomish, WA
The Homosexual Agenda
Hey Dave..I really do respect what you said in your article. I wish more Christians had the same views about Christ. That said…I thought I would share an ‘Agenda’ I wrote last year, while working for one of the largest Christian Media companies in the US.
You thought you had me all figured out.
You thought you had fully understood my agenda
You wrote about me in your articles
You judged me from your pulpits and your platforms.
I am not who you think I am
I am not the man in the bathhouse in San Fransciso
Numbing my pain through any means imaginable and many
beyond comprehension.
I am not the strange woman who for some reason never
married and
The neighbor kids take great pride in using to further
their cruel taunts.
I do not go from nameless experience to empty
relationship
Only to wake up and do it all again.
I do not spend my time considering new and better ways
to corrupt our nations youth.
I do not parade my life down the main street of
Americas morals.
I do not seek to harm anyone I run from destruction.
I lead you into worship on Sundays.
I teach your Sunday schools.
I pray for your children.
I would give anything to protect any child from what I
have gone through.
I sit beside you in your pews.
I love your God and I seek His face.
Am I denying an agenda? No.
I have an agenda.
I want to be loved. I want to have a relationship.
I want to worship God with fellow believers.
I want to live my life, and I want to live an abundant
life.
I want to be able to live beyond the façade.
I want to wake up every morning and know that my life
has value.
I lived for years not wanting to live.
I cried many tears, and I am sure I will cry many
more.
I sought for mans approval and lost sight of seeking
God.
I looked to the church to find Gods love only to be
cast into the shadows.
I hear that God loves me, but it comes with
conditions.
I have decided to seek God for myself.
Is there a true gay agenda? I am not going to say that
there isnt.
No more than I would seek to speak for anyone other
than myself on anything.
However I can tell you My only agenda is to live.
I dont think I am asking a lot. Maybe I am wrong.
I do ask that in your quest to expose the homosexual
agenda
Dont lose sight of the true heart of the matter
The individual who just wants to love God and to be
loved
I am that Individual.
Rosemay
I want to thank you for that wise and respectful response that you gave to Rosie. I was very clear and insightful. I do hope that someone that she knows has read it and brings it to her attention. It may not convert her, but maybe it twill give her something to thing about. All the anger that I sense in her and also hear from her mouth, seems as though there has been much hurt in her life, to make her so angry that she lashes back with such anger.