What a gem you are! God led me to your blogs on Christianity .com, and I am so blessed to have read your latest blogs and many in your archives. You have written so convincingly and personally about battles with legalism and self effort, and boy, do these things hit home. You have convinced me that complete surrender to God is key, and that acknowledgement and trust in his grace alone, for peace and for salvation is the only way–but that sometimes grace is so elusive cuz we keep trying to grasp it our way. I’m not saying this very well. As I mature in my faith, I want to aspire to the constant awareness of my need for him for EVERYTHING in my life, and that I can add nothing to my salvation or earn it in any way. What hasn’t fully registered yet deep down is that I am loved completely, cuz the feeling that I need to earn things is not easily shed. This too will come, I pray. Reading your work helps me to see these things more clearly, and for that I thank you.
your blog has brought me some measure of… peace? hope? some kind of positive emotion amongst the intense turmoil i have found myself in lately. I’ve known may ex-Christians. most of their reasons for not attending church, though most still believe in God, consisted of basically “bad Christians”. (I know sounds confusing? I can’t reveal more). I regret attending a…. religious… college. I’ve never been around more lying, cheating, hypocrites in my life. and for the most part that doesn’t bother me. we are all human. we make mistakes. but the back-stabbing, holier-than-thou attitudes, and lack of mercy and Christianity love for one another is the final straw. I am disgusted with my fellow believers. but i fear punishment for calling anyone out on it. I am hated. for things and reasons i do not know. all i have shown others is love, and in return i have received hate.
all i can do is run to God. and try to ignore people who have nothing better to do than to tear others apart.
christians is a term used to describe saved/born again believers. not people who claim to be christian becuase they went to church every easter sunday until they were 12.
Dave, you have a terrific writing voice, and I’m so glad I was sent a link to your blog by a family member!
I’ve started reading When Bad Christians Happen to Good People, and it is simply AWESOME. I can’t wait to finish it, and I’ll be posting a glowing review of it on my own blog, The Skeptical Believer. Keep up the fantastic work!
This is not the first time that Pat Robertson suffered from an incorrect impression of his own importance. He said similar things about Katrina smashing New Orleans. I would refer him (or anyone) to Luke 13:1-5, in which Jesus suggests that people who suffer misfortune are not singled out for punishment, as much as it is indicative that all of humanity is under condemnation without a relationship to God–“…But unless you repent, you too will all perish.” (Luke 13:5b, NIV). It is unfortunate that Mr. Robertson feels it obligatory to comment at all, and should spend more time studying Scripture so he could remember its commands–“Judge not, that you be not judged, for the judgement you give will be the judgement you get.”
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I just happened upon your article, “What you hate” and you are so right on point. I appreciate your “guts” to say it like it is about legalism, fakeness, and accepting God’s grace as a gift. Thank you for just being who God made you to be. Sister Dale
I am a Muslim, and I like your message Issa ( Jesus ) is one of the Greatest Homo sapiens , same as Mohammad, check that dude, it is so complementing, check Buddha too, it is so enlightening ; we end up with two categories The good or the bad; no religion or faith required in either I Know folks of faith that are bad and vice a versa
Oddly enough I googled the lyrics to the song by Casting Crows and was very pleased when I came across your web-site – not to mention that I was very captivated by the title of one of your books. I have bookmarked your web-site and will be back shortly to read more about it.
Came across your web site after I googled my own name. Very interesting. Perhaps a new book or two to read. Always wondered who that guy was with the same name when the credits rolled after a ACC basketball game. Good work over the years.
I heard you in an interview over the weekend on WGTS in the DC area. I had to get your book. Just ordered it Saturday and can’t wait to read it. I have been preaching on these things for several years now and it seems to fall on deaf ears. I pray the Holy Spirit prepares the hearts of Christians to hear your message and respond in Love to the world. “It’s All About Relationship!!! Spreading Christ’s Love One Person at a Time Through; Fellowship, Friendship, & Discipleship.”
Well, there was tears in my eyes as a fan after the Tennessee game. The network has been a part of my life from the days of dreaming about being a LSU Tiger to being a Vol to today. Thanks for everything! We will miss you!
By the way, can you post that last clip at the end of the broadcast. It looked like it got cut off w/ David Cook’s video.
Dave, What a wonderful story relating sports to Christianity!! “In The Big Inning” was so powerful for me! I do chose to finish the “race” strong and full of faith and growing in His peace and faithfulness. I am learning to faithfully rise above the circumstances and the emotions of them as God continues to show favor with me to purge me and refine me. I am blessed to be a willing vessel for Him; to use for Him to receive the glory. Success is keeping my eyes on Jesus throughout my life here on this side of heaven. Thank you, Dave for sharing!! Janie
Thank you for your ministry. There is not a lot of help for victims of spiritual psychological abuse. You are an important part of my life even though we don’t know one another. I don’t ever talk about what happened to me and my family in our own church and at the hands of our own pastor so your books and website have been important in my healing.
I hope you and your Joni and your children have a wonderful holiday.
Sometimes I’m just cranky. This is one of those times. The search phrase I typed in my browser was “how can I stop hating Christians?” – and what came up was the title of your book, “When Bad Christians Happen To Good People.”
I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry.
Let me just put it out there. I was raised by born-again Christians and until about age 24 or so considered myself one as well. My faith was my identity, inspired my personal and career choices, sustained me, was my universe and taught me my place in it.
Until I came out, that is. Suddenly all the close friends and supportive community – including my own parents – decided that the best way to “tough love” me back to heterosexuality and Jesus (because obviously if I REALLY believed and had faith I wouldn’t be turned on by men) was to have nothing to do with me whatsoever.
That was 25 years ago – and I still have days when I can’t drive past a church without screaming. It doesn’t help that this past November four more states passed laws outlawing my ability to legally provide for MY family (apparently the love I have isn’t holy enough) – a reflection of religiously driven persecution of LGBT families.
I am angry that I wasted so many years trying to get past the self-loathing I was so thoroughly taught to have by my church. I am angry that I was never allowed to see, hear, or believe that as a gay man I could have both a love life and a loving life, that I could be happy, well-adjusted and self-actualized to the same degree as any of my hetero peers. I am angry at the shame I was so thoroughly taught to have of my body, my gender, and my love. I am angry about the thousands of dollars I’ve had to spend in therapy learning how to stop hating myself. I’m angry about the fear I carried around with me for years about being perceived as gay, just in case I might lose my job, home, physical safety.
I’m angry about the full-page ads Focus on the Family ran in the local newspaper just before Massachusetts legalized marriage for MY family. Nazi Germany could not have been more subtle and eloquent in its demonizing of the Jews than FoF was of us. I was stunned that our paper ran the ad. Yes, freedom of speech and religion, but I HIGHLY doubt that the same ad would have run had its target been African American citizens. Can you imagine reading at breakfast a full-page ad declaring how a particular religious group with a known anti-YOU bias believes you to be: incapable of forming long-term relationships (we’ve been together 22 years in SPITE of all the bs Christians have thrown at us), unstable, unfit to parent …
…it was truly breathtaking.
I don’t want to believe in God, I haven’t in years. One more testimony from another believer isn’t going to be the magic one that brings me “back into the fold.” Christianity as practiced in this country has more or less convinced me that there really ISN’T a God at all. The Gospel message (as I hear it in this culture) ultimately boils down to an ultimatum. It is not “God loves you” – it is “you will go to hell unless you believe God loves you.”
I am angry at the arrogance of the message, the bullying inherent in it, the insistence of a vocal conservative Christian crowd that all their beliefs ought to be incorporated into state constitutions…
…because apparently their belief that we LGBT will spend an eternity in hell doesn’t start the punishment soon enough.
I have a HUGE chip on my shoulder. I wish I knew what to do about it.
God loves you just the way you are. He loves all of us just the way we are. He loves us so much that he wants us to be come more than what or who we are. That is why he continues to support and sustain our lives in this awesome world he built for us with all of his wonderful grace. But he wants so much more for us. He wants to give you and all of his children eternal, immortal, indestructible and glorious physical and spiritual minds and bodies.
There is, however, only one path to glory as Jesus clearly showed to us and invited us to follow him in. It does not matter who you are or what you think or what you’ve done. That path is through suffering. Very few, however, as he also told us (Matt 7) will ever find that path no matter what they may think, do, or say, simply because when it comes right down to it they refuse to trust Him.
By the way the Bible does not teach, as you apparently have been led to believe that the lost will suffer eternal conscious torment in some place designated as hell. It merely teaches that those who reject Christ do not inherently possess immortality. In other words they will simply perish eventually. They will suffer extinction of being after having enjoyed God’s grace lavished freely upon them for however may years of mortal existence they may have been denying his offer of life to them. Check it out Gen 3:4; John 3:16; Psalm 51; etc.
The point is that Jesus loves you enough to forgive you, but you have to trust him enough to let him give you the power to repent. You have to be willing to rest in the complete sufficiency of his overwhelmingly extravagant love for you. You have to literally be willing to die to yourself (Like 14:27 etc). That takes guts. Why don’t you try asking him for that as well? After all we are destined for so much more than what this world could ever offer. How could we ever be content with so little?
I belive God provides what we need as we need it, and I believe he prompted a long time friend to send me the link to your web-site. I received comfirmation about some of the things I am praying about for my loved ones, and revelation about what is happening within my walk with my Saviour. Thank you for being real, for being open about your walk with Jesus, and I am thankful you are one of my brothers in Christ Jesus Our Lord and Saviour.
I read your article in streaming faith and a bit of your blog. I love the titles of your books and have a heart to reach out to others but have been extreeeeeeemly reluctant because bad christinas have happend to good people saved or not =0). so I shall see if I can purchase them here in Australia- and wish you a very Merry Birthday of the Lord Jesus Christ ( suggested alteranative for Christmas- see who doesn’t like the 1st choice if that’s your options HAH !!!)
Good job on your book “When Bad Christians…..” About time that someone tells it like it is. I will recommend this book to all. Again good job. Dr. Ray Anderson, Pastor
Dave, your article posted on Crosswalk called “Living the Abundant Marriage” was one of the most profound pieces I have ever read. It struck to the heart of my marriage. I especially was drawn to your rule which says that God’s character always wins out when we compare it to our circumstances.
I loved your article “Living the Abundant Marriage”. -and I cried because as a couple we could relate to this so much. My husband read it and he liked it but his response was: How? Communication in this area seems blocked for us though we have tried hard to communicate, it appears. What would the answer be…
I found your website last week, read the article and ordered the books mentioned in the article, “TrueFaced” and “Bring ‘Em Back Alive.” I’m in process of reading them now; What a Godsend for me! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! God bless.
I came across your answer of how you, as a Christian, try not to become too cynical when I googled “How to keep from becoming cynical today”. Honestly, I’m not a huge Christian, and I’ve never heard of you, but your writing is the best and funniest I’ve come across in a long time. I will be keeping my eye out for your books. You SHOULD be a best-selling author.
I lost interest in Christianity, because I got tired of being surrounded by “holier than thou” people who didn’t have a clue, and who kept shoving their brand of Christianity down my thoat. You’ve made it interesting, again. Thank you.
Don’t apologize for the tux. It’s that seventies hairdo that hurts. The mustache still looks great. I’ll reserve smokin’ hot for your literary usage, but I can see why you married Joni. Still can.
I was held over in Corpus Christi this Memorial Day. Being there gave me the opportunity to tour the Carrier Lexington. There are several displays on board that tell of the sacrifice of men and women throughout 40 years of this ship’s service. I could not think of a better way to spend my Memorial Day, and I am thankful to those who have made it possible for me to be free! Many Thanks to all who have sacrificed for me.
Just came across your blog. Me christian from traditional church background, different ethnic and cultural background from you. But your attitude to the Lord resonates in me. pray for me to be steadfast in that knowledge. because, i am not. unworthy for his grace and childish in playing around with it. Keep me in your prayers so that i may grow up like you, not in his Garden but in his backyard.
As a fellow dog lover, Ifeel compelled to write of my misgivings about Hannah’s support of Baylor. The Wonder Dog does not ,in my humble opinion, appear pleased to be wearing a hat of any sort. She merely appears that she is only tolerating your warped sense of humor. Looking forward to seeing the Wonder Dog at the annual BBQ this year.
I came across your book while browsing the shelves and the titled sucked me right in! I bought it and I was very impressed. Finally a balanced, fair and reasonable approach to a big problem in the church. What great insights and I hope to use the book in my church to read adn to study. Maybe we can stop creating so many bad Christians. The only trouble I had was with Chapter 12. You spent a lot of time bashing Democrats and in that something was lost. I appreciated your insights, but you moved away from the grace and compassion that really drew me in. Thanks for a great book and I’ll pray God will use this tool to change the church!
Hello Dave, I saw your article about Dan Fogelberg on Crosswalk.com. I too was impacted by his music and will miss him. Thanks. It was my introduction to you and your books. The titles are Intriguing. Unfortunately, I am illiterate. Well not quite, but close. But I’ll be looking for them on CD. (I do my best reading while driving). Thanks, again.
can’t tell you how blessed I felel to call you my friend. I am encouraged to love my wife and children more, simply from your example. Thanks for being a Godly man and thank Joni for me too. She is an inspiring lady!
Loved the photos of Hannah the Wonderdog. Also, this is a bit late, but doesn’t Robert know that there are only two kinds of music? Country AND Western!
I just found your name on the Journal of Biblical Accuracy website. Tassos had said he read your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” and I am planning to read it as soon as I get a copy located. I plan to peruse your website more in the future as it appears very inviting.
I enjoyed browsing your blog. I’m a Christian musician and I just wrote what I consider to be an important song for our troops – it centers around the verse: Psalm 91:7 A thousand may fall at your side, And ten thousand at your right hand; But it shall not come near you.
I was hoping that you could use your influence to help publicize the song which I am offering free of charge – I just want the soldiers to understand and grab hold of that verse by faith.
Thank You for the tears of truth, I’m a music addict, and this was an intriguing visit, one I will repeat. I appreciate your candour and find it great the way you intermix a laugh appropriately. Thank You…..Sincerely! God Bless, Tom S
I think that confessions of a bad christian is awesome. I wish u’d update a little more/faster. But overall I really enjoy it. I might even buy the book.(one day)!
Hey stumbled on you through Google. Great site! Can’t go through it thoroughly at the moment since I am at work, but will come back to read it when I get home! God bless!
I purchased “When Bad Christians…” because I am at the point in my life when I have become convicted of being the bad Christian through my selective acceptance of people around me. My justifications for snubbing people range from “They snubbed me first” to “I cannot condone their behavior by being nice to them”. I felt exhausted judging people for so long, as well as passing “sentence” on them whenever I came in contact with them.
I was also touched by your clarification of forgiveness. The first Godly experience I had with forgiveness was unforgettable. I was so hurt by marital infidelity, trying to pray through it, when I prayed The Lord’s Prayer one evening. When I got to the part about forgiving others as He forgives me, I felt a warmth like warm water pouring over me. I “heard” Him tell me/understood in my heart that what my spouse had done/deserved was to be between him and God. I was able to completely let it go. Soon after, I read an article that explained forgiveness was surrendering the right to retaliate for a wrong done to me. For many years, I was able to walk the talk. Infidelity “returned” and for many more years I simmered in anger, self-righteousness, and all the other “herbs and spices” that go with them. I have truly been afraid that I would never choose to crawl back into my Father’s lap and experience the love, joy, and peace that steadfastly remains through daily experiences “good and bad”.
I look forward to reading your books and column to reinforce my commitment to my Christian walk. I know I’ll stumble at times, but I am looking upward!
Thoroughly appreciated your WBCHTGP and am purchasing several copies as gifts. When is your next book coming out? Will you be speaking this year anywhere in South Florida?
I am trying to get as many Christians to read “When Bad Christians…” as possible. I have become disenchanted with church and told the church how I felt. Not that they have not heard it before or felt that way themselves, but I am the pastor! Thanks so much for the book and being willing (or stupid enough) to take the arrows. Also, this blog is great! It seems there is a huge army of us Bad Christians out there that need this virtual community.
Just finished your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good Christians” Very thought provoking. It has happened to me & my wife as well as others in my family. But you can’t quit now you have to go on. God strengthens us to persevere and go on to the next task and trial. Keep up the good work and may God Bless you and yours. I’m currently trying to get Good Christians to step out and serve also to get into discipleship training, it is difficult even to get the leadership to move. Pray for us as we pray for you.
I know that we all have a story to tell. Actually, I did not know that I had a story at all before 1999 and did not realize how different my story really is until just the last few weeks. I am 47 years old and have been a Christian for only the past 7 years. That information in it self my not seem so different, however, after reading your book When Bad Christians Happen to Good People, I have a pretty good idea what might have happened to me for the first 40 years of my life. Great book!! I am sorry to say that I have been on the recieving end of the result of Christians not showing the love of Christ in their walk. I think this book should be a text book requirement for all new Christians.
I just read chapter one of, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”, and I love it that Mr. Burchett is telling the TRUTH. I’ve been in church since my name was placed on the Cradle Roll of a little Missionary Baptist Church, and I have had many painful experiences with “church people”. My husband, four sons, and I have felt so defeated by unkindness from our “brothers and sisters” that we all walked away from church for awhile. We just slept in on Sundays. Then, of course, God drew us “back to the fold”. He led us to an incredible church in the city where we live, called Journey Church. From the very first Sunday we felt love and acceptance. My husband and I are now “Greeters” and I promise you …. EVERY sort of human being walks in the doors of “Journey” and we welcome them ALL. They are wearing everything from designer labels to Goodwill finds. Some folks are completely shaved and some are hairy, We have lots of regulars who are pierced and tatooed (two of my sons are among them). Our young pastor, Clark, has a motto for us, “Honor God, build healthy relationships and have a blast!” As far as this formerly-wounded-and-now-healing Christian is concerned, it’s working!
Regarding the secret: It is an old error with a new face. A mixture of metaphysics with Rosicrucianism and cosmic consciousness and a little of “you are god” syndrome. Metaphysicists are using the Quantum Theory of enery and converting it to what they call the “Law of Attraction.” Like begets like. Birds of a feather flock together kind of thing. Unfortunately, there was no research of God’s Word when “the secret” was supposedly researched. Many of the principles that are perpetuated in their cause are in the Word; their source is the cosmic universe, but the real facts are that Jesus is our source and not the universe (world and the devil). Forgiveness, believing and receiving are all in God’s Word….Jesus is the only answer to any of the problems/situations that exist….not their universal law of attraction.
Loved your book, “When bad Christians…”. Thanks. I’m an associate pastor in the Flower Mound area, do you ever speak at churches? (Silly question, huh?)
If not, how about lunch, I’ll buy.
Mike Messerli
Lead Pastor
Crossroads Bible Church
Flower Mound, Tx. mike@crossroadsbible.org
972-355-3343
Hey DAve,I’ve been watching from afar-just read your posting
Pssst……I’ve got a Secret too
Your take on “the abundant life”was what I needed to see.Grace really
does cover it all.
I’ve had your site bookmarked and I’ve read all your blogs for a few months, now. I just want to take time to thank you for what you do. I really appreciate your openness and willingness to risk offending or upsetting some of us “hall monitors” at times.
After all is said and done, I’m just a sinner saved by grace.
Dear Dave, i came acrosss your blog through several links. i know now that God lead me to you. My husband of 25 yrs left me last year. i have been a Christian since 87 and he since 98. ours had always been a turbulent marriage, both of us coming from abusive, dysfunctional homes. we struggled with a lot of things even as a christian couple, but sadly, we got very little help from church. it was always about appearances and we bemoan the reality that a lot of church leaders are more concerned about church reputation and evangelistic prjects and building programs, but rarely take the time to get in the mud with the wounded and hurting. they label people like us as “EGR: Extra Grace Required” as if it was a sin to need the grace of God. i do not mean to put all the blame on them because if there’s one thing i learned it’s that i am solely responsible for my response and choices, and many times i chose to respond to our problems by protecting myself. I deadened my longings for relief which eventually lead to a hardened heart. The loss of trust and intimacy in our marriage merely reflected my loss of trust and intimacy with the Lord. i have almost lost faith in christians, too and i thank God that there are still remnants of AUTHENTIC Christianity left. How i wish my husband had known you. -elise
Keep on delivering the good word! I have been inspired by your postings because of their reliance on Christ and their usefulness to my life. Life is not always easy, still God is always great! May Christ continue to bless you!!!
Dave, thank you for having the courage and yieldng to his spirit in posting your “ramblings.” I found your site while searching for reviews of “Facing the Giants.” I found a great reminder of the forgivness I need to continue to give. I’ve been going through a divorce I do/did not want over the past year. I returned from a military deployment to the middle east just before Christmas of 05. My wife informed me on Christmas Eve that she wanted a divorce and told me how she had prayed every day for my airplane to crash and for me to die. We have two great children who are being so hurt by this trial. God has given me so much grace and wisdom over the past year. Not only have I seen the mistakes I have made by not being the christian leader of my family that God calls me to be, but I’ve learned so much more. I have tried, in the past, to follow God’s rules and make good decisions for my life. Of course, even though the Lord has blessed me, I have failed miserably. What I have learned is that it is not about me, but Christ living through me. I do not want this divorce, but I have turned it over to the Lord in his perfect will, and that I be convicted of anything I allow to hinder his will. Thank you for your posts/blog, they speak to me and provide a Godly message and insight. God Bless
Dave: I found your website while reading the “Live it” section of Crosswalk.com. I have come to tremendously enjoy your insights into the mysteries and paradoxes of life. I look foward to your “Confessions” in my inbox when ever the Spirit moves you. I am a Braves fan and enjoy your references to your baseball gig. My sympathy in the death of your mother. God always moves in His “mysterious ways” His wonders to perform. You and your family, especially for your wife’s recovery are on my prayer list. God bless and Thanks again. John Wilson, Nashville, TN
I am truly thankful about your honesty about your difficulties in school. My son, Eric, also was born before school difficulties was correctly diagnosed. He is unemployed now. His resume might look a little like yours.
Most of the time I see whatever disturbs me as a mirror reflection of what I may need to curtail or change within me. I used to be a person whom blamed and moaned constantly about others; until I began to look deeper at my own character defects, until I had a spiritual awakening within myself. Your web and article have opened my inner inclinations once again. I’m grateful to be able to connect.
I applaud your book, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”. Something I express often. I am guilty and I pray for a pure heart and mind everyday. I get so fustrated at people in my church and can’t understand why?, we do what we do. Church meetings are the worst…. instead of doing what God whats us to do, we bicker, (I say “we” because I am part of them), instead I would love to just stand up and scream, grow up and serve God the way we are suppose to. Love one another, be there for them when they are hurting… reach out, help. Quit the back bitting, the people who gossip, men are just as bad as women… I am finding this out more and more. We are still only trying to serve ourselves and not God. What’s good for us, will this benefit me in some way. Power control in the church is killing us. It scares me sometimes to even walk into the church, because something else is going on. And then the clicks, so many people leave because they don’t fit in and they have too many problems to deal with. Their marriage is falling apart, their children are so out of control no one wants them around. Here’s one for you, a women in our church, (part of the church, on the a-list), commits suicide, leaves her husband and two young boys at home. Everyone knew she was struggling but didn’t want to help. I was furious, angry, hurt and was guilty because I would have tried to help, but I do however try to stay away from the gossip… sometimes I hear it but walk away or shut it out. I did speak with our 2nd in command pastor, and told him how selfish I think she was, so many people would give anything for another day or year to spend with their family and friends. (I being a cancer survivor, my heart goes out to you and your wife), I was worried about my 15 year old daughter, what would happen to her if I had passed away, who would take care of her. God took care of me and my family. He gave me that 2nd chance and I have never lived for anything else, yes, I have fallen short more than a few times but my heart is His and I breathe Him everyday. I thank Him always for the mercy He has given me and His love is more than I deserve. But He does love me and I love Him. I just ask that you continue to write and may God be with you and your wife…. I will be praying for you both.
I accidently stumbled upon your site,and I have sat here and wept,so many of the heartaches mentioned in your writings I have also suffered,and if God was not Real, I dont know where I would be today. I too,relate a lot of my thinking to song lyrics, And I must say that though the ship is battered,the anchor holds. God Bless you,for the Blessing you are to me.
Hi, Dave,
Just finished reading your written commentary, “Finish Strong in the Ninth Inning of Life”. It really “hit a home run” with me! 🙂 Like you, my goal is to also finish strong, pressing on toward the prize (Jesus!). I have bookmarked your website, and will get back to it during the day.
Blessings,
Cathy
Fayetteville, GA
25 miles south of Atlanta
My dear brother,
What an encouragement you are. Thank you for your transparency. Your writings about your mom are powerful. You have been in my prayers, forgive me for not giving you more tangible support during this time. I appreciate you and Joni so much and am so glad to be on the journey with you both.
Judy
I just ‘stumbled’ upon your blog from a link in yet another blog. Your title interested me so I surfed on over. It looks very interesting and I plan on lookiing around for a while.
May God richly bless you on your journey. May the perfect peace of God surpass all your understanding, and may the moments beside the still waters outshine the times in the valleys.
GREAT site! I’ve emailed the address to everyone on my mail list. What a blessing! I particularly appreciate the articles on forgiveness. Thanks for your ministry!
You are so easy to read. I feel like I really get it when I read what you write. Thank you and my condolences regarding your loss. I’m glad you do have a close relationship to Jesus to aid in your healing process. May He offer comfort and a sense of peace to you in the coming days.
I read your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” which I friend lend me to read. It expresses so many of my own feelings & frustrations about what I see in our churches, Pastors and Christians (including my own walk). Though I am in the Philippines, yet the things you say are true here as well. I think every Christian (maybe especially those in leadership positions in churches) ought to read it.
Im busy reading your book “When Bad Christians…” and I must say that I am totally amazed at your honesty and openness. Thank you so much for doing what God says and not what the world expects of you! You are a real example to all Christians, and I’ve learned a lot from your book!
I now realize how important forgiveness is, and I am busy (with Gods help) to make it a part of my life. The chapter on WJSHTOT really got me thinking and the same with Our walking aint matching our talking!
This is a truly inspired book and I recommend it to all Christians!
David,
I am a 50 yaer old Chritian saved 34 years ago and enjoying your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”. This was recommended by my Deacon for the problem I am going through. My wife had an affair with a head of the church I was going to and now they have married destoying our 1 year marriage and his 23 year marriage. This book has validated my walk with Christ to understand that I need to forgive and realize the true enemy is Satan. The big problem is they are continuing this relationship of sin and are basing their righteousness on to do so under the assumption that Christ has forgiven them and they are married in the eyes of God, and as we both know forgiveness only with repentance.
Thank you for the inspirational reading.
Sincerely,
Rick
I was told by a friend a day or two ago that a pamphlet I authored several years ago was being referenced and made available for sale on ebay. During my curious search to verify, I was so fortunate to have just discovered your website and the wonderful inspirational thoughts you pen each day.
Two or three things quickly….what part of the country do you live in? With the name Burchett (my original spelling is Burchette), obviously, I am curious about geneology and kinfolk.
I also “tinker” at writing and am involved in a lay radio ministry that I have done for 20 years, including the wonder of “streaming” on the internet for the past 6 or 8 months.
I have “bookmarked” your site and will look in frequently. Would love to get acquainted with you.
Dear Dave,
Thanks for your kind words about my late husband Jay Stinnett. We miss him terribly but are comforted to see he touched the lives of so many.
God bless,
Dana Stinnett
thank you for the great article you wrote on the post let down of christmas. i loved the idea of celebrating it for the next twelve days and plan on making this an important part of our christmas tradition.
I’ve only discovered you a few months ago (not because of your lack of popularity, but because of my lack of literary knowledge) and I have to say that I have enjoyed everything I’ve read of yours. You don’t sugar coat things or avoid reality, but tell it like it is. We need more Christian writers like you to face the “real world” and give biblical answers. Thank you for your words of wisdom (and sarcasm!) I have truly been blessed by your writings.
I discovered your site a couple of weeks ago and have thoroughly enjoyed it. I appreciate the humor and the honesty.
I pastor a church in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada (say that 1 time fast yet alone 3 times). Hope you don’t mind if I borrow from you time to time – I’ll give credit where due!
Our family as well will not be sad to see 2006 go. Mind you, we were not sad to see 2005 go either. And yet 2006 ended on a positive note. We have been walking a minefield with our 2nd daughter for the last couple of years. She quit grade 12 with a 98.9 grade point average, and has been living on the streets as a meth junky. Much as happened we are just happy to see go.
The positive note – She’s been clean for a couple of months, looking really good, going back to school in the New Year, and we spent a wonderful Christmas together. She still needs to come back to the Lord, so we’re praying.
I am so touched by “When Bad Chritsians”…what an amazing testimony and challenge! I (and my wife) am in a tough ministry in a church as paid staff members. Many of the things you wrote about hit home about myself and many of the people in this congregation. In “American President”, Annette Benning’s character is speakng with Michael Douglas’ character…and she asks in regards to another character’s actions: “How can you claim to love America, but clearly can’t stand Americans?” Can we moidify this a little bit? “How can someone claim to be a Christian, but clearly can’t stand Christians? At least can’t stand to be nice to Christinas?”
I am was so excited by the wit, and most of all Spiritual truth, in this book, that I read it in one sitting! I HATE to read…which, by the way, is noot a good thing for a grad student to admit. But I was so touched by what God placed on your hreat that I was drawn to keep reading! Thank you for your gift to Christians and unchurched alike!
God bless you and your family…and God bless you in your mission field of sports direction!
Merry Christmas Dave and family. It was great seeing you last month in Jacksonville. I got one of your books for Christmas and am enjoying it right now. I can’t wait to discuss it with you and get an autograph. Enjoy the next 10 days of Christmas, I know that I will.
Randy
Hi dude!
Christmas Day falls on December 25. It is preceded by Christmas Eve on December 24, and in some countries is followed by Boxing Day on December 26. Some Eastern Orthodox Churches celebrate Christmas on January 7, which corresponds to December 25 on the Julian calendar. December 25 as a birthdate for Jesus is merely traditional, and is not thought to be his actual date of birth.G’night
Hi. I found this website in a roundabout way and just wanted to say that your book, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” sounds intriguing and I will try to pick it up sometime. I just am finishing a study on God’s grace so this might be the logical next idea to pick up on.
Sincerely,
Heidi
A book I will recommend to you that I read a lot to answer your questions (rather than Google searches) is the Bible (Tongue in cheek).
1.How can I find significance? Find and fulfill your calling. Youmay have it in this website. The objective of the calling will found in Matthew 28, The great commission, discipling all nations and often the environment will be found in ministries fulfilling Matthew 25, the sheep at judgment day will have fed Christ, clothed him, visited Him in prison, etc. As a prison chaplain (volunteer at present) where those needs are met by the state I encourage my disciples to think of these as ministering to the spiritually hungry, spiritually unportected, etc.
To guide you in this process remember Romans 8:14. Those who are led by the Spirit (Holy that is) are the children of God). Practice the presence of God and your questions will be answered in the process.
Your Brother in Christ (who continues to confess also),
For I need to thank you most tenderly and sincerely
for being who you are
and for through your website , (and your spiritual work)
capturing the essence, and the best of the spirit of Christmas
Your website is perfect
Heres the point and why I say these things
On you website,
through what you and others contribute of their heart and selves
is what we desparately now need
to recover in our understanding of Christs work here
and the very center core of His true messages to us.
What He came to bring and what He came to teach
is what you are NOW doing
What He came to Earth to give us
you have truly received
How can we be so sure?
it is in HOW and WHAT you now give to others
and the relief…others experience
through your willingness to embrace the truth
and to speak the truth and challenge of all it
That you are honest, forthright ,and still a Man who believes
What you give, and communicate within your website and other work
though you’ve packaged yourself as a ‘bad” and fallen Son
your forum, subject matter and shared messaging
all are at the center of His whole life’s message and why he was sent !
and in truth it is WHY why we should thank him
and celebrate His birth in all Christmas activities
I ask only that you please keep up the good faith , you are cherished
and Christ himself…
may name you “His best & most recovered Earth Son/Brother of the year 2006”
I read and enjoyed your first book..When Bad Christians Happen to Good People and have read about half of Bring ‘Em Back Alive which I am also enjoying. I have had the opportunity to talk with people who have had bad experiences with the Church and are seriously injured as a result. It is a sad and disheartening thing to see. I have felt the Lord slightly tugging on my heart to reach out to more of these people through ministry. I am currently praying about how the Lord would have me go about it. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your material. Thanks Dave…..
Bill Petite
Being a Christian, a Texan, a caffeine-addict and a sports fan – your book was just what my life needed (not to say that all prospective readers of this book need be all of these, just the first one). This book fell into me in a time when I needed what it offered… a refreshing look at my christian walk. The biblical backbone supporting this book is solid. Thank you Mr. Burchett for having the obience to write a book filled with truth, humor and love. This book is truly an inspirational read.
Your book: Bring” Em Back Alive. is good, you may consider your next book
Being Run Over By Father, Son & Holy Spirit. The theme would be pastors that don’t care about their people. All they are interested in is the next mountin top deal. Or title behind their name.
I’ve read your book: When Bad Christians Happen to Good People and have added it to our hospitality book section on our web site: http://www.tagnet.org/wash
W.A.S.H. stands for Women and Men Against Sexual Harassment and Other Abuses.
I’ve added my biblical hospitality materials in a new section of that web site as I find that abuse victims can benefit from biblical hospitality.
Thank you for all you do and what you have written about. May God bless and keep you,
I googled something and I ended up here. Your posts are straight from the heart, and they have really touched me. Praying for God’s continued peace and love for you and your wife.
I just wanted to encourage you because we need your “voice” in the Christian community and, of course, the unbelievers. Blessings for you and may you keep the mind of Jesus in all you do and say.
Thank you for sharing these thoughts! Your encouragement & focus on the positive and on all that cancer patients and their families have to be thankful for is a great help. Your recounting of the President Reagan joke was also a reminder of the benefit of gentle humor……. A newly diagnosed patient who will be sending healing thoughts to Joni and your family.
Keep you in love of Lord and in his wonderful power and peace again today and see how this his beautiful living word will be upfild with powerful deeds and wonders.Help that many may find and know Christ ,Please prayers for Trinity Ministry, Thanks and God bless Alex.
So neat to hear you, once again, rejoice in the small and wonderful things God is doing in y’all’s life! You are a blessing to us and we love you both!
C & C
I’m finally here. It’s always good to see you guys at church (or anywhere for that matter) and hear about your kids. Encouraging and inspirational. Love you, bw
I just wanted to say thank you for putting up this blog. I stumbled upon it during one of my down moments. Feeling self pity because I’m a single mom waiting for God to send someone. After reading the post about your son’s interaction with Brett, I am humbled. Thank you.
Dave,
God Bless You for bringing forth the light on the Ted Haggard situation. I know alot of christians and very few if any are sin free in their walk with god. Ted’s comments lead me to believe he is relieved that light was shed on his sins. He stated there were attempts and periods of rejoicing with the lord for freeing him of whatever darkness he was referring to had a foothold in his life. God or Satan either one shed the light but God’s Grace is not something Satan should attempt to cover with darkness. Ted is already under the wing of our father if he meant from his heart the statements and the acceptance of his sins.
Father God I pray to you in the name of your son and my savior Jesus Christ that you will use Ted to heal other christians that see their hidden sin as something that can not be handed to you and washed in the blood of christ. I pray that other christian leaders see that no one is perfect but leaning on our father God is the key and only way to prevent sin from entering our life. I pray that christian leaders will understand that not even the holiest of God’s chosen leaders are exempt from attacks from the enemy. Daily prayer and honor is the only way to prevent situations like have come upon Ted.
I pray for these things in the name of Jesus Christ your son and our savior.
A member of our small group sent me the link to Crossroads where your excerpt on what to do this Christmas hit me like a mack truck. Thank you! I also visited your website and pray that many more will connect with you via this site or other related links. God has blessed you with a gift and as another man once said to me, your life should be about significance…. yours certainly is Dave.
Wow Matt, I am humbled. Not because of your actions or your writing. Exposure to the truth is humbling. When I take the time to reach out hoping to change someone, more often it is I who God changes. Apparently I think God needs me. Are we to be His Hands and His Feet while we are here? Most definitely! I believe , however that I do not go into such an experience expecting to be changed myself. I was created for fellowship with God. I just have blinders on as to when that fellowship takes place.
Bob Bennett wrote a song based on Matthew 25: 31-46. Jesus is teaching about clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, visiting the prisoner, welcoming the stranger , and ministering to those who are sick. The chorus says,
“Unto the least of these, what you do for them you also do for me. You must give of what you have, to become what YOU must be. You must give your love unto the least of these.”
When you or I become the hands and feet of Jesus, it is you and I who God is in the process of changing.
I’ve just read your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”. Loved the truth, loved the humor – a soul searching and life change experience for me. Keep up the good work! God Bless!
I have only just now received your blog newsletter or whatever it is. By just scanning some of the articles, I feel I am going to love receiving these. Take care and God Bless.
Thanks Dave for your blog. I’ve found civility and a good person in the things you say. I may disagree, even strongly, but you’re one of the good guys.
I discovered your site from one of my “google alerts” I have setup for “Sam Harris”. Your site has inspired me to take the plunge into blogging.
Thanks for your column about Baylor. I am glad there are some people and places that will still stand up for family and traditional values. some people would call good values old fashioned. However, good values are not old fashioned (even though there are a lot of “enlightened” people that think they are old fashioned). They are building blocks on which to build families, friendships, countries, and society. When you do not have quality building blocks with which to build, you get shoddy results and workmanship. I think we are seeing societal results that are showing the “shoddy” building blocks that so many schools, organizations and people are trying to promote. As the saying goes, “you reap what you sow”.
Every time I have been around Matt in the past or read his guest writings on your blog, I have been impressed with his qualities. Not only is he a man who models integrity, he can write too! You and Joni are blessed Dave.
I have just finished reading your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” with my Tuesday mens group. We throughly enjoyed your book. God has used it to show me some areas in my life that need work (you just had to put that check list in the last chapter!) Thank you for being so open and straightforward in your writing!!
Dave-
My bible study leader asked us to bring some thoughts on grace to our next bible study. I googled “grace” and I found your website. I love your writings. You make me think and I have spent hours reading the archives. I look forward to reading more of your work. God bless you!
What happened to those children was terrible, the faith that the Amish walk in is amazing , we who claim to be Christians should look at our committment and walk. To search our hearts. Where do I see Jesus, just a few miles to the east in a quiet
community just wanting to serve God.
I truly appreciate your humility and Christian witness! I only wish more Christians would respond to life’s precarious situations in a similar godly fashion.
Blessings,
Lisa Harris
I am a graduate student in Social Work at Roberts Weselyan Colleg in Rochester, NY. I am a survivor of church abuse that contiues to be ongoing (even though my famliy left that church over 4 years ago). This pastor (?) continues to slander my name. My family attended this church for less than a year. However, in that time, we witnessed the “discipline” of our best frineds (who were the last remaining founding family of this church!). Even though we sensed something was “off” immediately, and eventually left, the result of our “rebellious attitude towards authority” was immense, and has taken years to sift through. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of harm a Christian can do – all in the name of Christ, all the while spouting scriptue as they go at it. I just read your comments on Madonna and the other guy – great advise! I could join you under that table! I seem to be always stirring things up. I don’t mean to, but I have this unquenchable desire to ONLY know the TRUTH, and none of this other stuff that says it is, but really is not. I am currently doing a research proposal paper and my research qustion is: “What happens to Christians when they experience spiritual abuse from a Christian leader?” In doing the research, I came across (and bought) your two books and this web site.
Blessings to you for being one of those “good Christians” who is not letting them
Jane
I just want you to know that I have started reading “When Bad Christians Happen To Good People”-(I’ve read chapter one) and I’m enjoying your book so much! You bring up some very good points! I can’t wait to get into chapter two!! Thank you and God Bless you and your ministry!!!
I love your site. I discovered you through Crosswalk. When I was very young, 19, I was involved with Campus Crusade for Christ at March AFB. I am a retired Air Force member. What those people taught me is forever imbedded in my heart.
I loved reading your article about Rosie ODonnell. I match your opinions about the fact she’s history in entertainment. I also feel she is trying to mask her own guilty feelings about “coming out of the closet” and as most do,and slamming Christianity because of the convictions placed on them by the Holy Spirit. They ignore these inner feelings and outwardly try to make Christianity look bad so they won’t feel bad on the inside. This statement would ignite fury and denial from them. I know entertainers have to possess a great deal of ego to do what they do but too much leads to situations such as this one. Their campaign against Jesus is an excuse to do as they please but when trials become life threatening, who do they turn to. Thank God for this, I guess. I used to watch soap operas in the 70 and 80’s. I quit because of the insane attempt to entertain of which I was a victim for years. When Erica Kane had affairs with all three generations was enough to convict me to abstain from these incredibly immoral viewings. I have regretted ever getting “hooked” on them. But what always happened, were the pleas for God’s help in the hospital chapel or in the window of the hospital room. The worst of the worst would always cry out to God only to resume their tainted lives after their pleas were heard and apparently answered their way. Hollywood puts God in a box this way or they place puppet strings on Him. God is dipicted as a scapegoat for anything that goes wrong and responsibility is not the one sinning. It’s God and those judgemental Christians’ fault. Also, if at any time, Rosie or anyone else says they’re mad at God or anything similiar, that’s just an admission they DO BELIEVE HE EXISTS. You can’t be mad at someone you don’t believe lives. It’s a crazy world we live in but with writers such as yourself “coming clean” like you did, others will have the same drive and hopefully, the Holy Spirit will continue to convict those such as Madonna, Rosie,etc to cease this attempt to discredit the Almighty. Remember all those who threatened to leave the USA if Bush were elected. I don’t recall any of them leaving, do you? ha!
Thanks for the great reading!
Miriam
Chattanooga, Tenn.
The comments regarding Rosie O’Donnell were were a model example of how we, as Christians, should respond to critizism and attacks. You are an inspiration and a great example to me. .
Thank you so much for your blog! I have really benefited from your God-ward way of looking at things – even the tough stuff like Rosie’s diatribe and Madonna’s onstage shenanigans. I hope you are encouraged by what a blessing you are to other radical Christians!!
Nice job, Dave. I just read your article about Rosie and the View. Rosie is an interesting person. I believe her agenda is to protect and legitimize her lifestyle. Unfortunately many in America believe that you a Christian because you are born into a family that traditionally seek Jesus, so by default you have to be a Christian because you have to be something. Many also believe that if you were baptized as an infant then you are a Christian. A Christian cannot be a “Born Again” Christian. A Christian is a sinner who is born again into a new life with Jesus. A Christian can not be Evangelical because we were all given the same command by Jesus to go into the world and tell his story. I do not like putting a label on my faith, but in this day and age it is hard not to because the term Christian does not mean the same to everyone. If it is OK I would like to adopt your agenda. If that means that I am radical, then to God be the Glory. Thank you for this great article. Rick Place
your article today was incredible. Thanks for putting it back into perspective.
I long to be the kind of christian you were describing. Thanks for helping me
to see that it is all about Jesus!!!
Dave, I found you on Crosswalk and I look forward to every post you write. I love your honesty, openness, and willingness to share your life with others. I lost track of the number of posts I have forwarded to family and friends, because I feel they are so relevant to my life and ministry. Keep going! I’m praying for you and Joni!
Dave,
I just read part of your article “A Husband’s Honest Reflections on Feminine Beauty” It opened my eyes to see my wife in a new light. I hope that your wife Joni is doing ok. You have touched my heart, when i read this i was thinking of my grandfather, and granmother (who passed away when i was 3) my grandfather passed away later, but i remeber my parents saying that my grandmother had lukemia.
I love Rascal Flatts. That song and video is one of my favorites. I hope you all lots of love and joy.
Thanks for sharing your life with people you dont even know, because it has opened my eyes and heart!
Mr. Burchett,
I loved your response to Rosie O’Donnell. I get so discouraged thinking the whole world views Christians as she does. Your article gives me hope and puts into words exactly how I feel. I will certainly forward your words to my little “circle of influence” and as a lay speaker I may even use them in a sermon (giving proper credit of course!).
Sharon McCommas Burr
I just read your Rosie article and really enjoyed it. I’m trying to become a more radical Christian myself. Thanks for speaking/writing about what true Christians are all about.
I read your reply to Rosie ODonnell, and I think that it was very good. You trully have a way with words, definitly a God giving talent. It’s wonderful to have someone like you to put into words something that I have been trying (with God’s help :o) live whole heartedly, I got saved at the age of four, and ever since then I have been trying to be a “Troublsome Christian”. As for the people who give christians a bad name (on prupose or not) I always remind myself that Christ died for them to and his grace and mercy is for eveyone! And above all else I pray and when I am done praying, I pray some more. Beacause as my very wise father says ” Prayer moves the hand that moves the world” I apologize for any grammatical or spelling errors 🙂
Dave – thank-you for speaking the truth in love. Truely if we would focus
more on living like Christ and being Christ-like people would be drawn
to Christ in us.
Dave – please don’t stop addressing & confronting issues relevant to our
walk with Christ in this world.
I will Pray for Road Toad, I will not give up on him because I know God has not given up on him. I too have been guilty of not seperating the sinner from the sin. More that likely I have turn others away from the forgiveness of Christ. If not for the Love of Christ, there go I.
It’s a little late. I’m done with the Church. I don’t need the abuse anymore. I’m not being “willfull” when I insist my wife and kids being treated with respect. I’m not being “willfull” when I insist that I be treated as an adult.
Good Morning Dave: I too believe as you do. I am troubled by people who claim the Christian faith yet don’t believe God speaks to us today. Those who have attended the same church for years-five generations and yet excluded anyone not in their circle. Forget the importance of forgiveness of each other in the church, including the Pastor and feel they are not accountable to each other. We should wonder why people stop going to church, when they are not challenged or given the news of God’s power through the Spirit. I live because the Spirit lives in me. We can have everything, but if the Spirit isn’t living in us we have nothing.
In my church it amazes me how often we speak of the grace-grace & love love love of God, yet we dare not mention the fear of God. No wonder we behave so badly. If we but read the O.T. just once we would begin to recognize that the fear and love of God keeps us closer to him and His word. I challenge anyone reading this to take the One Year Bible and read it through one time, I’ve been doing it for many years and it keeps me clear on my sinfulness and God’s holiness. Blessing to all. Louise
Glad I found your site and I thought you summed up the Rosie O’Donnel debacle extremely well. I have felt the “radical” Christians she was talking about were those of us who try hard to follow Christ and occasionally practice the “tough” love of saying “that is not right.” Of course, in this day of relativism that’s a no no as far as society is concerned. Everything is okay and voicing anything different is not okay – unless, of course, you are disparaging Christians. I tend not to want to suffer those people, but I try to keep reminding myself (or more accurately, the Holy Spirit keeps reminding me) that Christ never promised that living a life for him would be easy, nor would we be popular with the world. Most importantly, Christ died for all of us so we must continue to be vigilant and pray for unbelievers and continue to talk to them so that Christ can work in their hearts. Thanks for reminding me again through your column.
I just read your beautifully written article on Crosswalk, “A Husband’s Honest Reflection”. My mom is enduring a very powerful form of chemo (72 hrs. at a time) and lost her hair after the first treatment. I know for her that it was very emotional but I know how my dad loves her and I know that he sees her real beauty even now. He has been by her side day and night and wouldn’t be any other place.
I also read your wonderful response to Rosie. It was also well written and I plan to share it with some friends of mine. We have all been reevaluating our lives and asking God to rework our lives so that we can be more like Him. Our church is really striving to do the two things that Christ said was most important and that is to love God and love people. Thank you for putting into words some of the ways we can all strive to do what Christ has asked us to do.
Hi Dave,
I just read your article on Crosswalk. I do understand what you wrote about….the real beauty. My wife has been gone for almost 9 years(home with the Lord) after dealing with cancer, . What beauty, what grace to see how God abides, listens, understands, while we’re right in the thick. What a powerful thing to see how she trusted th e Lord all the way to the end (beginning). It’s certainly not something we asked for, but God “condensed” our marriage, making it very rich, we had just 9 years together. And the Lord continues to hold us (me and the kids, 17+13) up.
Please pray for me, I’ve just learned that there’s a spot on my one of my kidneys (the Dr. believes to be an early cancer, at an early stage), and will have out-patient surgery on Sept. 26th to deal with it.
God Bless You, Dave!
Jeff
Realy, really liked the way you wrote the piece on Christians and Rosie O. and would have commented on the ‘blog’ site, but being computer naive, did not know what Url was so am commenting here. Sorry Ed did not get it. I know you aren’t out to ‘make’ Christians, we leave that up to the Lord. Maybe you could contact him and lead him to the scriptures so he can ‘hear’ the word of God for himself? Who knows, we might gain a brother!
Hooray for you. It’s been a long time since I have read something as well written as your comments on the Rosie OiDonnel mess. More importantly I love how you outlined your intent and what you stand for.
Dave: Right on regarding the whole Rosie O’Donnell stuff. I appreciate your true heart after the Father. That’s what being as Christian is all about. If you don’t have love, you don’t have anything. Ms. O’Donnell needs Jesus and we need to be praying for her. Be blessed and Psalm 91!
Just wanted to let you know how much I appreciated your confessions of your Radical Agenda. Loved it. I completely agree but didn’t quite know how to articulate the thoughts you outlined when I first heard about Rosie’s comments. Thanks for clarifying it for me–I like the term “troublesome Christian.” May we each become one.
Just thanks. To hear a man speak about true beauty – inner beauty – is rare. My prayer is that the Lord would bless you and your truly beautiful wife with many more and long years of fruitful ministry. I’m hoping to read about your 60th wedding anniversary!
Just received info about your website from a friend. Thanks for all the great stuff.
I will be praying for your wife and for you. You make me laugh and cry in all of 2 minutes. Thanks, I really need that. Keep up the good work. Myr
I read “A Husband’s Honest Reflections” on a Crosswalk devotional I get. I read several of your articles and then the Piper one you mentioned about “Don’t Waste Your Cancer.” April 26th of this year, my husband of 26 years, father of our 8 children, my best friend, and always, my Beloved–closed his eyes in this world and opened them to look at Jesus Christ. Pancreatic cancer. Cliff was a cowboy in the truest and best sense of the word; and all who knew him loved him. Were it not for the word of God–who CANNOT lie–which says that we will live again and be together for eternity, there is no way I could make it though one day. I pray that your family will be spared and that your wife will emerge victorious, stronger and better for the experience. Cancer gets your priorities straight in a blinding instant; the list of things that I needed in this life got OH SO SHORT even as the doctor’s words were hanging in the air, the air which instantly was drained from the room. Journaling helps. Having four children still at home, while an awesome responsibility, fills my days and keeps me going. Our children are daughters 31 (from Cliff’s first marriage) 22, 11, 8, and 17 months and sons 26, 24, and 14. Please keep our family in your prayers, and make each moment count with your own family. Thank you for the article–I will be reading more of your articles, and probably using some of them as homeschool devotional material with the children.
Sandra B– sw Mississippi
What an inspiration you are! I read your article on Crosswalk.com’s/women’s newletter, “A Husband’s Honest Reflections on Feminine Beauty”. What a beautiful and touching article. I also read your weblog. Your wife and children are very lucky and fortunate to have you in their lives. Your wife sounds like an amazing woman.
Thank you for sharing the article and know that I also cry! My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family!
I just stumbled upon your website from a Crosswalk Marriage Newsletter which I just signed up for after marrying for the 3rd time a wonderful man who loves the Lord and have never experienced love like I am now. That’s what brought your blog about a “A Husband’s Honest Reflections on Feminine Beauty”, so close to home. because my husband loves me for my a beauty that no one else has ever seen and that is a love that I feel is very rare in our times and one I never experienced before, what an intensity. It does take a maturity that some people never reach, sometimes you have to go through many trials and tribulations to ever reach and too many people try to go around their trials. I do pray the best for you and your wife through this time. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I like your teaching, Dave. I read your “bar” story—and yes, I agree, it takes all sorts to make the local church. Each one of us have to really LOOK unto JESUS, when our fellow brothers and sisters are not behaving in a Christian manner to the others. It would be good when we can extend grace unto others for their inadequacies, as we would want them to do the same for our inadequacies! =)
Bless you all! Praise the LORD!
Seems like we might have more than a few things in common (besides eclectic music tastes, bad dad jokes and a passion to live an authentic Christian life, whatever that means). My wife of 26 years is going thru breast cancer treatment. I found that there weren’t many resources for us guys as we struggled to understand the disease, how it affects our lives and give support to our wives. I found a book called, The Breast Cancer Husband that helped a lot. However, we could sure use one from a Christian perspective. You just might be the guy to write it!
I also found my bald wife beautiful in a totally new and unexpected way. She had a hard time receiving it but eventually caught on. Her hair is coming back now and she looks cute with short hair (something I NEVER thought would happen).
We try to see each day for what it really is – a gift from God. We know what the doctors say about her chances for survival but the only really important number is the one written in the BOOK. In the mean time we’ll do our best to live courageously, love unconditionally and give God the glory, totally!
I just received a Crosswalk article about you learning the meaning of true beauty through the struggle of your wife’s cancer. I must tell you, I was touched by your words.. Your wife sounds amazing. I would love to hear how things are with her now, and to know if there is anything in particular I could pray for her about.
In God’s Love,
Libby G
Just started reading “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”. What an inspiration! I am only two chapters in, and I feel fantastic just reading your words. As a “new” Christian, or actually one who is returning after being discouraged in childhood, this is fantastic. I turned away from Christianity in my youth due to the “bad Christian” who would “do their duty” by showing up in church on Sunday, singing the hymns, standing and sitting when told, reciting scripture, and then meeting in the lobby afterwards to talk about who showed up with who, who was wearing (or not wearing) what, and what they really thought about their minister. What a thing for a kid to see! What a conflicted message to receive! So I explored other faiths for awhile, and am now coming back at 33 years old.
Keep writing, your words and humor carry great inspiration and are a wonderful gift from God.
Your story about “real” men crying touched me. My brother-in-law passed away a little over a month ago after a 4 year battle with breast cancer. He always smiled and never complained. He touched so many lives…I can hope of touching half as many as he did. The cancer spread to his brain, bone, spine, pelvic area, and lung. He still never complained and always had a smile on his face. Even when walking was an obstacle, he made it down to the altar every Sunday morning to pray. He had a bumper sticker on his car that read “Real Men Love Jesus”. That was Troy.
Site seems good. I agree with some of your statements, and am not sure about others.I will keep with your site untill I decide it no longer instructs me or makes me think.
Speaking as someone who has seen pictures of you in that baby blue tux (blame your oldest son), I too am embarassed for you. I still had a year to appear on the planet when Jeannie came on the scene, but remember having the typical teenage crush as well. Thanks for learning to give up childish things Dave. You are a testimony to me.
Mr. Auben’s quote-“you shall love your crooked neighbor with your crooked heart.” reminded me of another quote from my church bulletin-“the devil is forever convicting folk of other peoples’ sins. The Holy Spirit convicts us of our own.” copied
signed, crooked heart
Thanks Dave for you outlook on life I really enjoy your wit and sarcasm. Its hard to know what truth is when you have been told a certain way is truth is and what is a correct point of view your whole life. Poor Woody with no hope.
One a lighter note. I have enjoyed both your books “Confessions” and “Bring em Back”. As a reformed legalist who is still undergoing “intense therapy” for right and wrong lists (or are they black and white lists I cannot remember), jugmental attitudes, ect., I have really enjoyed your take and wisdom concerning our place in the Church. I grew up in Northern Ohio (“Go Browns” or is it “…wait until next year” I cannot remember which I say the most) in a similar Church setting.
Thanks Dave and I will be praying for you and your wife and that God would be glorified in all you do and say.
What I find most intriguing about God speaking through the donkey was that Balaam actually continiued to have a conversation, as though this was perfectly normal to be speaking to a donkey. Wait a minute….
Refreshingly honest and open about your own struggles. Oh that more christians would have the God given freedom and confidence to be honest with themselves and others around them.
That sunflower is perfect… big, bright and beautiful. I’ll definately be reading this blog from now on.
As a pastor, I greatly enjoyed and was convicted by your book, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good people.” Thank you for your authentic, and challenging writings.
I also want you to know that I am praying for your wife’s recovery from cancer. What you wrote on your blog about what God is teaching your through your’s and your wife’s trial is wonderful, challenging, and insightful.
Amen Brother. We are all sinners in need of grace. In fact the more honest I allow myself to get with myself and others, the nearer I feel God to me. Which is far more important than how near I feel to Him at any given moment. Feelings are so ficle and vain. Thank God nothing is dependent upon them, only Him and His response to us. You make it easy and wonderful to join the ranks of the self-deprecating.
Amen.
Lisa
I sent you an email concerning your book about Bad Christians, with an attachment….a poem written over 100 years ago, that expresses my own views better than I could ever express them….
I hope you will oblige me with your time and views….
I loved your articles on crosswalk.com. Your humor pops through your writing and makes for quite an easy read! Keep up the good work! May you be mightily blessed in our Lord Jesus Christ! <>< THUMP.
The June 28 blog about the rats and immune systems hit me between the eyes. I want to break away from the minor irritants and get back to concentrating on eliminating the major sins in my life and regain the desire to win souls for Christ.
I am more concerned about my preacher’s ineptitude and illegal aliens than I am about living a pure life and witnessing for Christ. Shame on me.
Tevye a bad dancer! Now I have something to really be offended about! As I recall from my last viewing of The Fiddler on the Roof, Tevye had some grumpy old man in him. Perhaps he could join you in the balcony.
We live in a world of smoke and mirrors for the most part where advertising companies are flashing untrue statements, companies are doing uncanny business and individuals will say or do anything to enhance their creditability. We accept most of this because we want what we read or hear to be true. How many books and letters have been printed only to find out later that they were in error? Why? Because we think if it is in writing and the ink did not smear it is true.
In this wonderful world of electronics and cyber networking it is easy for us to write and send tainted information all over the world from the comfort of our home. Knowing full well that the average person would never find us or would not even want to find us. Why? Because if it sounds good just believe it.
Dave, you are like finding a drink of water in the desert! It is such a pleasure to read your writings and blog knowing that you always research your statements or comments. I have sat in many of your teachings with the comfort of knowing that you quote from the bible, verse for verse, anything you bring before God’s people. You have lead our “second family” home group in the same manner. With all that is going on in your and Joni’s lives it would be so easy to wing it but that is not what God has put in your heart. For your obedience to follow God’s will I say thank you!!
You have been a “rock” for Joni in her time of cancer and she has been so strong to listen and obey what God has had to say to her. She has been a lady on top of the world and still climbing during this whole ordeal. What faith you both have in the Lord and in each other. Such a blessing that God chose each of you to minister and set an example to those around you.
My wife and I have been reading, When Bad Christians Happen to Good People. It has been so refreshing and challenging. Thanks so much for writing this book! I also noted that you recommend reading Yancey. I couldn’t agree more!
Without any question, Dave is one of my favorite people! An outstanding director, with a deep soul. As a matter of fact, kinda like my daughter Alexa’s Godfather. May God always bless you.
Thank you, Dave Burchett for your confession posting on the DeVinci Code. The whole matter has made a lot of us out here start doing more research into our Christian heritage.
Having just held a friends hand through cancer treatment for the last few months, my thoughts are with you. I know that God is a good god and as He has said He causes all things to work together for the good for those who love Him and are called according to His purposes, but as a mother who lost one of her children I know that it is not always easy to hold on to that truth, nor is it so easy to resist the temptation to rage at God sometimes.
So I will pray for you during this time, your candidness is so refreshing and I really enjoy your writing.
Before I finish up I would like to tell you something that encouraged and encourages me still.
I asked for something from the Lord to give to a new Christian who was moving away, and He said this to me:
The word of the Lord is always, never and forever.
I asked Him what on earth did that mean, and He said:
Behold I am with you ALWAYS even to the end of the age, I will NEVER leave you or forsake you, the word of the Lord stands FOREVER
Three little verses that have carried me through many many traumas and I hope that if the need should arise, they will carry you also.
Dave, When Bad Christians Happen to Good People is an excellent book, it is so true. Enjoy reading your blogs, keep up the great attitude and insight. Thanks. Mark
I LOVE reading your BLOG God has used your writing to teach me, correct me and bless me! God has clearly gifted you in this way. But today you absolutely made my day when you wrote:
Tom Cruise – You might want to rethink the medication thing.
Your sight was forwarded to me by my brother. I’ll have to thank him for that. 🙂 Only had time to read a couple of the blogs but I really appreciated your insight. Thank you for sharing your gift.
I always get excited when I hear that story you wrote about that was related by T. Campolo. “It is only Friday, but Sunday is coming!” Praise the Lord! Thanks again for your encouragement, Dave.
We’ve just finished reading your book “Bring ’em Back Alive”. It has been salve for our wounded hearts. We’re recommending it to everyone we can. Look forward to reading “Bad Christians”. We love your sense of humour and openness. Also enjoy reading your blog.Keep on writing!
Dave ( and Joni) just have read through some of your journaling over the past few days etc. Joni – I so enjoyed talking with you at the shower, to a fellow sister in this journey of cancer. If there are any questions etc. just give me a call or email me at above address. There are lots of little things with questions that do come up. Reading your journal entries about the cancer I could relate to so much of what you all have experienced with this. KNOW I will be thinking of you each and every day and praying for you- you are on the list now. If you want someone to go to chemo or wig shops etc. I would be more than happy to go if you want. You may already have people in place for this but know I am more than willing and know exactly what you will go through. We have a website also if you want to read through some of the stuff we have already gone through in every aspect of the chemo and how I reacted etc. Our website (which Jim writes for me) is http://www.lauriethames.blogspot.com It is our way to keep up with it all and have a history for ourselves in the midst of a time we may not remember it all b/c there is too much to remember and to share with others what God is doing and let them know how things are going. But God has been so good and continues to be- He is my REFUGE, STRENGTH – encouraging me to be courageous and not to be dismayed. I hold on to that making very tangible choices in my outlook and attitude each and every day – not to say you deny any of it and that there will be up and down days and that is ok but mostly God is still soo soo good. Thanks for letting me read a great website! In His love- Laurie Thames
Mr. Burchett – your weblog is always a great encouragement. It carries the a certain “real life” character that I think even my mom would have enjoyed.
Warts and all, your writing is a regularly needed kick-in-the-rear for me.
We have a church called Mountain Springs here in Colorado Springs which has been a place of healing for many after experiences with “Bad Christians”. We went there out of an International Church of Christ (ICOC) and have found blessing upon blessing through freedom in Christ.
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.
1 corinthians 10:13 NIV
Mountain Springs was our way out of the temptations of legalism and exclusion of all but the “one true church”.
I grew up in Buffalo, and came back to attend Professor Kurtz’s SUNY Buffalo in Chemical engineering graduate school in the early 1990s. In my experience it is a spiritually draining place, and I became ill with cancer after only 6 months “back home”. I was 22 years old, and the only risk factor I possibly had for cancer was “stress”.
Dave,
I love your words – and I love more that I can hear you saying them. I absolutely hate that you and Joni are going through this. I recognize that God has a plan – but that doesn’t mean that I have to “like” it. In this particular circumstance, I just don’t “understand” it. You and Joni are precious people in my life. I can remember praying for a Godly woman to step into my life from the age of 16. God took his time to answer that request, but when he answered it – I knew it! Joni is a consistent follower of Christ and she taught me the importance of consistency in a relationship with Christ. I don’t wake up at dawn to be with the Lord like Joni does – but I do make a point to spend time with Him everyday. She taught me that. This “cancer” journey would be easier for me if God had chosen someone else – but like I said earlier… I recognize that God has a plan. And…Matt and I are committed to walking beside you in this.
Thanks for your well thought out posts. They’re a bright spot in my day. Usually late in the afternoon when I feel like chucking it all. That’s when your posts remind me what’s really important.
Dave,
My name is Dave O’Bannon and I am best friends with Randy Swanson, and now I feel like I am friends with you. I have been reading your work for over a month now and I am amazed. You are so right on!! I will discuss me later with you, but I wanted to introduce myself and thank you so much for your heart and witness through your writing. I am praying for your family. God Bless.
I heard a radio interview with you about “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” and picked up a copy for a friend who was turned off long ago by some narrow-minded (but possibly well-meaning) Christians. Nobody warned me the book came with a mirror… Thanks so much for such an honest, straightforward, and golldiggitydang funny approach to our real-life Christian responsibilities!
I look forward to your new book. I think we all need help from each other , the wounded and the weak.. It has been a while since I thought about the wounded people that may be next to me in church. We need to do better, we are losing people, I am losing people. I want to be an example but am so busy with work and stress that if ever I am a good example it is done quickly. You have said some encouraging things and I appreciate that. I have been praying for encouragement and motivation. Thanks
p.s. Chris Rice is one of the best Christian song writers living! Mac Powell is pretty good too 🙂
nice website and great bookcovers…I will try to get a copy of each.
I am a retired high school / youth referee (football, soccer, baseball, softball) and umpire. I love sports. I sell cars for a living and try to point Christian men in the right direction…when they will listen.
…Happily married to my college sweatheart for 35 years.
I am guilty of being “a Bad Christian”, but I am not shameful. I just had to pick myself up off the mat and start over at the cross!
I have just finished “When Bad Christians Happen To Good People” and I laughed out loud so many times! You really ‘hit the nail on the head’ for so many of us. Like you, my husband and I have been hurt by the church, but still love it,and still keep trying. There are so many who have given up and just stay at home and I understand why, but, I know that Jesus loves the Church, his Bride, so we keep hanging in there. We have been involved in so many ‘movements’ in the last 5 years within the church. It seems now, that we have come full circle; back to the basics of trying to live our lives like Christ would’ve done on earth. Jesus’ words are ringing as strong today as they ever have to ‘love the Lord your God with all your heart and love your neighbor as you love yourself’. Also, ‘ You are know to be His desciples by the love you have for one another’. How can we expect a lost and loveless world to want what we have when they see us jealous, envious, and bickering amongst ourselves or more interested in our meetings than reaching out to the poor?
Thank you for your honest ‘take’ on things and for your much needed humor!
I heard you speak at the ECPA meeting sponsered by Waterbrook Press back in January in Arlington. I was looking for some more info about you and stumbled on this blog. I have enjoyed reading the dialogue altho’ I don’t really participate in this stuff. I don’t think fast enough on my feet. However, i recommended my son-on-law check it out. Your books have been a blessing to me and my parents, so relevant and so personal to things that have happened to me and my family.
Now to why I was trying to find out about you I had a Question. You mentioned something about a church plant in Wylie? I have a sister who lives in Navada, (not far from Wylie) who is looking for a church. I thought maybe this would be some place she could check out. Would you let me know something?
By the way, I did find the note you talked about that your son wrote to you about his sister and God’s plan so refreshing and an affirmation to some things that I have been studying lately. Thanks for the stuff on Chris Rice. I have loved his music for years, even the cartoon song. I have had several friends request that I sing his Untitled Hymn for their funerals! I couldn’t believe it, but guess they were serious. I hope that I don’t have to do it.
Joydale Plemons
How refreshing it was to find your site. An actual Christian who is real and authentic. God Bless you for your ministry, and may many people be blessed through it.
WOW!! I guess I’ve been living in a glass bubble!! I was stunned to find out that Chris Rice’s little ditty about cartoons could be taken as anything more than a fun few minutes. The religious police must have a lot of time on their hands.
Thanks for your commentary. I’ve now been introduced to your writing and will look with anticipation for more.
Thanks for Post and Run Dave. I’m a pastor and don’t we also have this attitude? Then we begin to reflect it from the pulpit which makes the congregation feel victimized which then is reflected in their treatment of the pastor which then causes him or her to preach victimized, and on and on and on the deepening circle goes.
Early in my ministry I found myself getting caught up in this. Then I realized that I have not been through a fraction of the abuse that the fathers of the church and the Christ Himself went through. Then I began to question, ‘Why not?”
But now I am running on so it’s time to say…”Thanks again, and so long.”
You can’t ring the doorbell and run in your own neighborhood. (tried it) We know where you live! I learned the lesson of forgiveness the hard way. After many sleepless nights tossing and turning over an offense, real or perceived, I became convinced that forgiveness is the only way to experience freedom. I have made it a matter of great effort to both offer forgiveness and ask for it from people I work with (many whom I did not particularly like) and friends and family. It is HARD to do. It goes against our very nature to offer or seek forgiveness. We want to stand up and rail against our attacker, demand our rights and proclaim our innocence.
The words of Jesus in Mark 11: 24-26 indicate that as a follower of Christ, forgiving others is necessary for our own forgiveness.
“Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”
Jesus is speaking to his disciples in this passage. If I call myself His disciple then I must take His words seriously. In orderfor me to have an unbroken fellowship with the Father, I must forgive those who have wronged me. I must also seek forgiveness from those I have wronged. The rights I long to defend, I must give up.
I do not know who has disagreed with you regarding forgiving those who have wronged us. They argue not with you, but with Jesus himself. Their prison of anger and bitterness, no matter how tragic the circumstance, is of their own making, and they are the only one’s who have the key. They will discover the the grace of Jesus when they learn how to forgive.
I was serving in Russia with the Salvation Army when I first read your book WHEN BAD CHRISTIANS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE. I thought it was wonderful and not only loved the title but was moved and challenged by your words. My husband and I are now pastors at a Salvation Army here in the States. I was so excited to find your web site. I also was unaware of your new book. Looking forward to reading it.
What a dreadfully sad day it would be, to lose our battle to people like that!
My husband and I have been married for fifty years, have five children married {no divorces} sixteen wonderful grandchildren, who have all accepted Jesus. I believe that there have always been those whose eyes have been blinded by Satan, and who refuse to see God’s truth!.
God put us in families, and that is the BEST way to live!—
I’ve just read your critique of Mr. Atalli’s view of monagamy (via Crosswalk). A cultural collapse into chaotic despair will come long before his anticipated view of the future. Chaos trashes the integrity of all living systems. The Old Testament tells of God “speaking in whispers”…… I think that we can know that truth goes about in quiet and patiently-confident ways. The rising chaos in our “post-modern” culture is far too “noisy” for people like Mr. Atallia to hear it. He chooses rebellion against listening for quiet truth. And so be that….. “we reap what we sow!”
One thing about it…. for me….. is some powerful affirmation of God’s own vital truth in these modern times……… watch what the popular culture is choosing to celebrate in “noisy” ways….. and you can readily know that there is no truth in it. God alone has truth, not these noisy ballyhoo celebrations and cynical proclamations. We can know!!
Thank you for your time….. Galatians 6:9. From Donald Tobkin
I’ve only just begun to read your work, but I am already hooked. Thank you for living out Galatians 1:10 in your writing. I confess I am a people-pleaser, which by definition means I am idolizing people and not worshipping God. I am fighting to be free from people-pleasing and to live a life that pleases God, that brings Him glory so that we may both share in the delight of Him and I may rest in His delight for me. I don’t want to miss out on God’s agenda because I am bound in chains to the human agendas around me (including my own). What sadness that would be. Thank you for sharing your agenda – it is well worth borrowing!
Thank you, Thank you , Thank you. Your words were wonderful. I too have experienced the ‘bad Christian’. Before turning to Jesus myself I had experienced people who claimed to be Christians – these people made me not want to be Christian. I am not judging them and saying that they were not Christian – not for me to decide. As a non-christian at the time, it gave me a very sour taste for Christianity. I would say to myself, ‘self, why would you want to join the ranks of them if you have to be a nasty, judgemental person who thinks they are better than you.’
Happy to say that I had a Christian Mom who helped me and prayed for me for years. I now have turned to Jesus and I too want to try and live for and through Jesus til the day I meet him face to face. With his support and his love I know I can make it.
Finally a voice of reason in all this nutiness about Chad Allen and the End of the Spear. It broke my heart to see how worked up everyone got about it, the movie wasn’t about Chad/Nate it was about the Wodonai and how the Lord changed them from a people of violence to a people of peace.
I pray Every Tribe Entertainment more than makes up their costs with this movie and that all this “stuff” won’t keep them from making more movies. I hope everyone who saw and loved this movie as I have will write to them and let them know. Plus go out and buy the DVD when it comes out.
The other thing that just slays me about all of this is when did being gay be a worse sin than gossip, being judgemental or anything else we may consider “lesser sins.” Sin is sin there is no difference in God’s eyes.
Thanks again for writing. I’ve never heard of you before but will check out our library and see about getting some of your books to read.
Thanks for sharing Professor Romanowski’s artical on “Evangelicals,” I have also been taken back by our Christian brethern who boycott ” End of the Spear” which presents core Christian evangelism issues in a real world light, over the choice of casting someone who is openly Gay. While I could wish the casting were different the guy played Nate and Steve Saint well, and brought real emotion to the part. He may well be a misguided sinner (most of us are and some more obviously than some others) but he did a great job of getting the points across by which, we as Christians, want the culture to examine and be challenged.
Keep up the good work, Dave. I remain,
In His grip by His grace,
Peter
I’d leave a comment, but im on the way out the door to Auburn … might see ya there and i wanted to at least be able to say that i’d stopped in on the site if you were in AU today …
incidentally, i have a neighbor who recently got disenchanted in an evangelical drive-by (did i mention this?) …. anyhoo, he ran across a book of pentacostal leanings, (sounded kinda Gnostic in its way, i recall) and then made the mistake of asking a trusted elder about it … he was told that if he persisted in reading heresies he’d be in serious trouble. He said something to the effect that scholarship was a cornerstone of the faith … and so his status as deacon was revoked as well as the sunday school classes he and his wife taught …
at any rate Jim has grown from the experience, and it’s a startling transformation from the neighbor i first met …
Cheers!
If you reply and get spamblocked, no worries … i’ll add you in as soon as i see the alert!
I found this site after reading your comment about Jimmy Carter. I appreciate the thoughtfulness of your comments. I have always thought well of President Carter, although admittedly I did not pay much attention when he was president, since I was pretty young at the time. I just knew he was a Christian and helps Habitat for Humanity. So to hear my president being attacked at a funeral by this man was pretty disappointing. The level of slander and unfair attacks President Bush has to bear seems terribly unfair and irresponsible. Thank you that you may help Christians do some more thoughtful debate, rather than going with whatever flow they are close to.
This is a piece I wrote some years ago; my struggle still exists.
I’m not sure just exactly how to address my challenges so I’m simply going to state them as they flow. Carol and I have been visiting around some churches for the past several years now. We’ve set through the church orientation program at one in the not too distant past. Carol enjoys the service (where we go with some regularity) and so do I to some degree, however; I prefer a more traditional service, this is a little to Progressive for my taste but I tolerate it well. I’ve always been one for hymn books and organ music or even piano. I don’t read music well (mostly only a little) but I enjoy singing. In our current setting, that is next to impossible, since there is no music to follow and most of the music is quite foreign to me. It’s obviously an acquired taste. Carol is a musician and enjoys the program very much. The music director is obviously extremely talented.
I’ve corresponded with both the pastor and the associate; never got anything from either really but then I’m not a member nor did I pursue my queries I guess. I’m not sure I knew what I wanted anyway; and it’s obvious they didn’t know either. The associate was and is very responsive, the pastor on the other hand didn’t respond at all.
I was raised a Baptist in upstate NY and I was “saved” at the age of 9 or 11. I was however never baptized until I was far older, 25 or 27. As a young adult, I was very active in services, but then I was never sure if I was doing what was required of me, or simply going through the motions.
I spent twenty six years of my life in the USAF and retired in 1996. It all started with a letter from the president stating: “you’re cordially invited to attend our war”; I wasn’t much interested in that idea so the USAF signed me to a four year contract. I was so taken by those four years; I just stayed on for twenty-two more. I flew a desk for my entire career. That life style (being on duty 24/7) did not make church a priority and church service wasn’t easy as we moved every two or three years making it even more difficult.
I was married (just over seven years) and divorced. Carol and I have been married just over twenty years and they have been very pleasant years. Carol was my cause for changing to Presbyterian. A good change!?
NOW; with that little bit of history; you need to know too, I’m not comfortable with people who approach me with such extravertedness (if that’s a word). That is to say, new people and overly outgoing people. I’ve never considered myself an extravert and find the grip and grin at church Sunday morning quite disconcerting, and simply uncomfortable.
The pastor of the church was a teacher/lecturer and a fine one. However, he presented concepts in scripture that caused me to question my ever being “saved”. For example; the Lord’s supper. He indicated that you had to feel something each time you participated, or something inside of you just didn’t get it! For me this is simply a ritual of remembrance and to date there has never been a stirring in me. I fully understand the gravity of the symbolism and what it represents, however, I really do have serious challenges with it; if in fact, there is to be something internal taking place within me, that just isn’t happening.
I also have very serious challenges with children; I have none of my own and I’ve never wanted any, I simply tolerate those I come in contact with; For short periods! Carol had a teenage son when we were married (now a LtCol pilot in the USAF) and now there are grandkids. I find them tedious and quite frustrating (but they are not around since they live in another state).
Now, I know your sitting there asking yourself; what does all this have to do with me? My bottom line: how in the world can I claim to be a Christian with this baggage and these hang-ups?
I also feel no need to, nor do I have any desire to; pray publicly. It is most uncomfortable to be in a place where that is necessary or even required. I feel like prayer is a personal thing between you and God. I don’t wish to impress anyone with my eloquent oratory in a public forum to demonstrate my faith. God is the one who is being addressed not the assembled masses. This too concerns me. I pray as I drive to work on that frustrating freeway to Nashville, (selfishly I guess and not on a daily basis); I want to arrive alive and safe. I don’t feel compelled to pray before every meal or even before special ones (seems out of character to do one and not the other); again I just don’t do public prayer!
Part of my time in the Air Force was time spent in a place called “TURKEY”, two tours (about six and a half years). During those times I walked in the footsteps of Paul at Epheses. I also walked the streets of Pergamum, just to name two of the many many sites we visited in our years in country. Those experiences are very hard to comprehend now, living here; not to mention relating them to folks here who have never been outside the “BORO”. Our home too has the appearance of a Turkish home/museum because of our years there, not to mention our love of that gracious country.
I’m having a difficult time since my years in Turkey. I was raised thinking and believing, if you weren’t Baptist you were “wrong”. Well, now it seems more likely that was wrong in itself. The many friends we left in Turkey after living there over six years make me question my Christian walk even more. Who is to say Islam is “wrong”? How can it be that all of these people will parish? Why are there so many different religious faiths BUT only mine is the “true path” to salvation? How can all these others be wrong or worse, going astray? Don’t I remember something about “judging”, that’s simply not for me to do, and it seems to me, we do it against other faiths daily (even more frequently since Sept. 11).
Am I kidding myself? Can I ever have been saved? Do these things sound like someone on the right track? I never experienced any lightening; I never heard any thunder. I don’t feel like my heart was ever threatened from the forces of the Holy Spirit. I walked that aisle so many years ago mostly out of fear. I was scarred to death of what my childhood pastor called “eternal hellfire”. There was also a Sunday school teacher in my childhood who stated his case this way: “I choose to follow Christianity and you may choose NOT TO but if I’m wrong, I’ve lost nothing; on the other hand, if you’re wrong you’ve lost everything (eternal life)”! Even today, I fear going in the wrong direction, taking the wrong path BUT still, I feel no compelling urge to present myself for service. I know I’m as bad as the next person; but to my credit; I’ve never done the prison going to kind of stuff. That’s not terribly funny, when I think of ONE pastor’s sermons when he often compares us to Timothy McVay, no sin too much, no sin too little. They all rate equal billing. I understand the concept BUT what a tough reality that presents!
I break the law every day on the freeway, mostly to keep from being run completely over by speeding drivers. I swear like I’ve spent my life in the military; no excuse here, simply fact. I want to not do that and have prayed to stop. It however has not stopped, so you say, pray more! I know.
I’m looking at a daily prayer as I sit here at my office desk writing this:
Almighty and most merciful Father;
I have erred, and strayed from your will in my life.
I have too often followed my own heart’s desire,
I have offended your Holy laws.
I have left things undone that I know I should have done.
I have done things that I know I should not have done.
But; 0 Lord have mercy on me, your miserable offender.
Spare me, 0 God as I confess my faults.
Restore my soul as I repent my shortcomings.
Grant me 0 Merciful Father-
Forgiveness and help me to walk in the ways of your will.
In the name of Jesus our Lord, Amen.
This comes from Terry Waite’s (the Christian hostage in Lebanon) book; I’m afraid I’ve stolen it. I’ve also edited it to fit myself. This is how I feel about myself and what I feel I need to ask God for everyday, as if HE hasn’t enough “real” work to deal with. I’m very concerned about this and have trouble with it constantly. I guess I must be in pretty good company though; one of my favorite authors, “Phillip Yancy” has written of his challenges with his daily walk too.
I came across your website as I was googling a few authors who have written about people wounded by the church and told some of the stories of the people whom they have encountered. I’m a student at Fuller Seminary in Southern California, and this is the topic for a paper I am writing for class: people leaving the church and/or dissatisfied with their church experiences who are still seeking to remain faithful to Christ. I am thinking about purchasing your latest book for both my paper and for personal reasons. You might be hearing from me soon…
I just read your article re: The End of the Spear at crosswalk.com and your repsonse to the controversy of the lead actor and his choice of lifestyle. Way to go! You hit the nail on the head. I live in a very ‘gay friendly’ town of Key West and work with gay people. I don’t agree with their lifestyle by far, but to go in like a bull in a china shop preaching, I will have no hearing at all. It’s my desire they come to know Christ and leave their sinful ways, but I cannot condemn them, I can only show them Christ’s love.
I feel saddened that our evengelical community would cause more issues over this by boycotting such a powerful film. I agree with what you said about our reaction turning the actor off even more to Christianity.
Unfortunately, The End of the Spear is not playing in our small town or I would have been to the theatre the night it was released. Maybe I’ll get to Miami one of these days soon so I can see it.
I am from Manila, Philippines. I am an elder in an Evangelical Free Church church here. I found your site bec I think CT quoted your reaction on the End of the Spear movie. I found it sober and Biblical and gracious. Just read your article on the Canine School of Evangelism (CSE) and it was truly heartwarming. Thank you. God bless you.
Love the book (When Bad C….) and I’m only on chapter one. Lost track of how many precious quotes I’ve already read. I’m going to give a copy to every Christian I know. Thank you for writing about a huge issue that is typically ignored completely.
Back to reading – I can’t wait to see what I can do to become less of a Bad Christian myself.
Just read “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”. I will be recommending it to two groups of readers that I highly respect. I found your use of humor a perfect balance to the weight of material presented. A very thought-provoking (and ACT-provoking!) work. Especially appreciated your Bill of Rights for Unbelievers as a practical guide. Thanks for this very important, enjoyable, and provoking work!
Hi Dave! How refreshing your aproach is! So many see Christians as those bogged down by “rules.” Although we follow Christ, and are in the world, we are supposed to reach out to it, not be against anybody and anything that has anything to do with any part of it. In my teen years, my family started attending a church, and my mother grasped the rules and regulations better than anything else. I have found a lot to disagree with her on, like how evil Disney is for supporting the homosexual agenda. . . etc. As I am still forming opinions, I think I will adopt some of yours. We need to bring Jesus to the real world. Thanks for the encouragement and new perspective you have given me.
~Tina
Amen! “The Good Stuff!” When I was in Trisha’s transport room to heaven (otherwise known as the hospital room), the good stuff was: Jesse who she led to the Lord, her girls who love her and the Lord deeply, Mike who had so much peace and grace from the Lord, everyone there who was grieving their loss of a sweet one deeply yet grieving with such hope in the resurrection to know that we will see her again, singing powerful words of worship and praying to a real, ever-present God all around us in the room. That is “the good stuff!”
I know I’m a bit late here, but I am excited to finally visit your site. Better late than never I guess . . . or was that better never late? Anyway, you clearly appear to be having fun. Press on brother.
Hello. I hope that someday I can share my own experiences with mean Christians. Not yet though.
I will own both books by this time tomorrow. I’d run out today for them, but no stores are open since it is New Year’s Day!
Hi Dave,
Love the blog! Ran into Joni this morning and we had a quick conversation. My book is out in March to the public. I’ll get you a copy. Have a Merry Christmas!
Shirley
In one of your blogs you mentioned something along the lines of “killing shrubbery” with your booksales. 😉 Knowing full well that you were joking (I hope?), I still felt the need to reaffirm what so many others have said before me: Thank you for writing those last two books! You have no idea how much comfort I received merely reading your words, God really reached out to me in my own time of struggling through “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”.
So once again, thank you.
Oh, and just so you know, you might not be ‘killing a lot of trees’ in the States, your book somehow managed to reach a 21-year old Dutch student all the way across the Atlantic Ocean to the tiny, tiny country (and oh so very cold at this moment!) that is my home. Quite an accomplishment, I’d say…
In Him, Grace.
We are looking forward to this next one, Dave. We have learned a lot from the first two and look forward to this next one. Maybe you should fly a certain airline more frequently as you could get a lot of writing done that way. 🙂
We keep you and Joni in our prayers. We love you guys and are very thankful for you in our lives.
We are doing a book study in our Sunday School class at AXE Methodist UMC. Pam Klieber, whom we know you know is our teacher in class and I do fill in on occassion.
Pam is doing an excellent job in explaining your book, and we have some very interesting discussions
Your book, WHEN BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE is excellent with the topics you go into. Thank you for taking the time and effort to write this book. I myself am currently writing a book of a fictional nature, based on my past experiences. It is still very much in the works. Maybe sometime in the future I would like to contact you on some concerns I have as far as getting a book published. I myself wrote a book on banking in the 80s, which 20-25 publishers and Book Agents were not interested in. Hope to have better luck next time.
I have been counting my blessings alot more here lately. A beautiful wife and four great kids are right up there at the top. Life is challenging at times with four kids, but it wouldn’t be much of a life without challenge. I am enjoying being challenged by your thoughts as well. By the way. What does blog mean?
Hi Dave
I am writing from South Africa ,having just finished reading a copy of your book , “When Bad Christians …” I am now waiting for the book store to get me a copy of “Bring Em’ Back ….” ( After reading chapter 1 on the website)
Personally I don’t understand why you have received any negative feedback, but then perhaps it is because we too as a family have experienced the heartache of wanting to serve the LORD, only to experience the very essence of what you have written. Having come out of a cult ,it was not much fun to also experience the rejection so commonly displayed in God’s Kingdom.
I definitetly don’t have it all together, and God has shown so much Grace in my Life that I dare not criticise others in their personal areas of their lives, with which they struggle, and yet how easy it can be to slip into that mode. ( Told u I don’t have all together)
Keep those thought provoking writings flowing, as you take instruction from the Throne Room . God’s blessing be on your life.
I am very excited about your website. As I read Bring ‘Em Back … I can see what others are saying. It’s a slow go, but I usually re-read a chapter twice.
I have had the most fun this year on our football weekends, partly because of your wisdom. Thank you.
You & Joni will be in my prayers as you travel to the Holy Land. (Oh, I expect to see MANY pictures!)
Hi Dave,
You’re so cool……no, you really are! I love your blog (whatever that is). I’m not up on all this new technology….I still have a watch that I have to wind everyday….no, really.
I hope you are doing well. Maybe we will do some games together this winter. I look forward to it!
Dave ~ What a blessing you have been and continue to be! I am very excited about this new step because I know God will use you in great ways to heal and further His kingdom! I am so grateful to have you and Joni in my life! You are in my prayers!!
This is an awesome website. It is very easy to follow and really makes one want to check out all the links and read every word. I haven’t read your book yet, but am excited to get started on it.
After reading all of your accolades, I am honored to say, “I know this guy.” You truly are a very successful Godly man. Just one thing, you didn’t include “good chauffer.”
I wish you well with all your new endeavors and pray that you and Joni will be able to really enjoy every minute you have together. Enjoy each day and draw nearer to Him.
I’m looking forward to reading your book. I had some bad experiences in the church I grew up in but fortunately I have overcome them and I enjoy my church and now understand what church is for- to learn about and praise God! My husband also had some stuff happen that still sticks with him so he doesn’t go to church although I know he loves God- it’s a hold the devil has on him and a struggle for him- I look forward to the insights you have on this subject. I pray that it will be a blessing to you and all who read it.
Dave, you always make me think differently–thanks! And thank Goodness that my Christian life is much more private–I’m not under the Christian community’s magnifying glass. We (and I’m including myself) are so hard on each other–graceless at times, casting stones at times, crucifying each other at times. I look forward to having you throw a few “curveballs” at my thinking!!!
Dave. it’s wonderful to hear from you, again. You’re the only writer I know of that answers emails personally. I wonder if I may purchase an autographed copy of your new book, “Bring ’em back alive”? If so, kindly email me the cost with shipping and handling and an address to send a check or money order to. I thank God for you. “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” turned out to be a timely, thought-provoking, and eye-opening book. Soli Deo Gloria! Daniel Pouesi
Dave,
I just finished reading your Book, When Bad Christians Happen to Good People.
There is a schism in our Church at this time because our pastor (a woman) baptized achild of Lesbian parents. It has caused quite a stir by a “few people” It was right after this that I noticed your book that I had purchased, but never read. Isn’t that interesting?
I just read “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” and wanted to say that I was very impressed by the approach. A friend and I were just browsing in the bookstore and doing some reading last night when I found it. While initially I think I was subconsciously hoping for a book that would tell me what to do about some “bad Christians” who have recently hurt me, I was excited and surpried by how it took more of an approach that we can all fall into that trap. What we can control in any circumstances our ourselves. I really appreciate your book.
My wife and I just finished the “When Bad Christians…” book. I stumbled across it on amazon.com and after reading the excerpt about how you were treated by your church family after you have made such a God-honoring choice to care for your daughter, I decided I wanted to read more and bought the book. We both apprecited it. We sure can be a cruel insenstive bunch! Thank you for following the Lord’s leading in sharing your heart.
sincerely, Andy Karplus
FYI: you may have already corrected this, but I noticed that the number 0.00299% (on page 197 in my copy) is incorrect; it should be 0.299 %. (Actually I’d suggest rounding it off to 0.3% but at least 0.299 would be accurate.)
I really enjoyed the books. They ministered to myself and I didn’t even know I had a problem. Hope to stay in contact, though I’m not very computer savy.
Greetings in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ! I have just begun “When Bad Christians…”. I am in the second chapter and have already told my husband (who is one of two deacons in our church) that after the Bible, this book should be required reading for all deacons and pastors. (Wouldn’t hurt every other Christian I konw either!) I have to admit, the title is what made me pick this book up. We recently had a sistuation in our church where a new female member started gossiping about other women in the church, with the last episode of gossip directly involving me. So, in accordance with Matthew 18, I approached her one-on-one. She was unreceptive, so I “took 1-2 witnesses” with me (via email) and approached her that way. Now I am the one being shunned and looked down upon. To make matters worse, the pastor was the one to give her the information she used to gossip, information I sent him in a confidential email to my pastor and my deacons. Since he has not agreed to meet with me with my deacons present (the only way I would agree to meet face-to-face), I have yet to learn the reason why he felt it necessary to share the information with this new member. (Did I mention the new female member, been with us about 3 months now, is also our new church secretary and privy to much confidential information, available in various formats?) So, the title “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” caught my eye. When I get done reading it, and my 15-yr-old teenage daughter gets done reading it, I’m going to let the other deacon’s wife read it, then the other woman who was hurt in this gossip incident. In fact, I may just have to buy another copy to circulate!
On a lighter note, I had to laugh Sunday when our very-old-fashioned-pastor said that the wine in the Bible was not fermented, that it was “new wine”, equivalent to our grape juice. I wasn’t involved in the conversation, so I just smiled and shook my head. Why, then, does Jesus warn of getting drunk off wine? Last time I checked, you can’t get drunk off Welch’s, no matter how much you drink. Sick, and really, REALLY fat, but not drunk! I think Beth Moore, a Jew and prominent female Christian speaker and teacher, put it best. She said “I think when we get to heaven, and we’re sitting at the banquet table, that there will be wine therel. And all the Jews are going to raise their glasses and drink, and all the Baptists are going to be sitting there with their mouths dropped open and their eyes wide!” Well, not ALL Baptists, Beth! =)
Dave, thanks for your brutal honesty, awesome sense of humor, and your willingness to allow God guide your footsteps, without which I’m sure this book would never have existed. BTW – I have your other book, “Bring ‘Em Back Alive” on order. God bless you, your family, and your ministry. Look forward to meeting you in the Kingdom. Michele Gilbert, Pembroke, NH
Thank you for being so brave to address a well known but ignored topic. Bad christians and hurting people. Both of your books are well loved by me and if i am the only one that gets healed by reading them then you have done what God has planned for you. Thanks for taking the time to be honest and insightful. Don’t ever let the sour puss righteous-fakers tell you to lose your sense of humour. Thanks for being honest also about your ADD. I had to take medication after the death of my father and the drowning of my son , and felt guilty because i did not have “faith.” What a lie. I am so glad you mentioned something, because God led me to a doctor that told me i needed that medicine because my body was out of balance and when God healed me , i would no longer need it. Thanks be to God for Dr.’s that hear Him.
Thanks for you and your family that sacrificed time and money for you to write.
You just don’t know how much your books have meant. I have no pastor to speak of, so they have been a life line.
When Bad Christians… –
Great book! Very helpful in understanding the offended &
offensive Christian…sometimes we say & do the dumbest
things, eh? Guess that is why He is a God of grace, mercy, love and
most importantly, forgiveness!! Again, great book, looking fwd to
your next inspiration.
Villa Park, IL
Friday I was at the Life Way Bookstore downtown looking for the last copy of Nancy Lee DeMoss’s “Lies Women Believe and the Truth that Sets Them Free.” We couldn’t find it where it should have been and the clerk felt that it was probably misshelved. I came across your “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” quite by accident.
As I stood reading the first chapter, I became so furious that I bought it right away. I finished it Saturday night.
“Bad Christians.” Dave, you are too kind. Unregenerate Christians would be a more accurate description. (Or degenerate) But then you wouldn’t have been able to weave that catchy title. Before I go further, let me direct you to two articles by the Chicago Tribune (“Commune’s Iron Grip Tests Faith of Converts” and “Exodus From Commune ignites Battle for Souls” by Kirsten Scharnberg) which can be found on Rick Ross’s (a Jewish unbeliever) website: http://www.rickross.com
I was a part of Jesus People USA Covenant Church for 23 years, my husband 24. We met there, fell in love there (fortunately we were not one of the arranged marriages just arranged wedding dates) and had 3 wonderful children. We left July 15, 2000.
Kirsten Scharnberg was a sweet 20-something Lutheran whom I talked to at length about having a personal relationship with Jesus during a few of our interviews. It was important to me to explain to her the difference between the horror stories she was hearing from wounded ex-members and what real Christianity was supposed to be like.
There are many who have completely left the faith because of their experiences at Jesus People. Some have become Buddhists, some Catholic; some returned to homosexuality, some became homosexuals. While spending time at Wellspring (www.wellspringretreat.org ) I ran into a former member who was considering becoming a Mormon. Some have remained believers in spite of them.
I liked your book, but a few things really are disturbing. You do not seem to make a distinction between people who are really “bad Christians” who exhibit thoughtless behavior and people who most certainly are not believers at all. Perhaps you are illustrating from the lost person’s viewpoint. I had a Jewish roommate in college and she thought all gentiles were Christians until the year I actually became one and enthusiastically explained to everyone who breathed near me what it meant to really be a Christian!
I remember reading aloud some points from your book to my husband, particularly the incident in which Klansmen murdered a black man. “Klansmen are not Christians!” my husband protested. “Well, they tell everyone they are,” I remember replying.
In the early 70s I attended a Christian youth conference sponsored by Campus Crusade for Christ. One of the featured speakers was Rev. Jesse Jackson. I don’t know about you but even as a young Christian I was able to discern the New Age content of his message despite the religious sounding metaphors. When I brought my concerns to someone in authority there, I was rebuked and told “We need Jesse Jackson to open some of those doors for us.” I kept my further doubts about his authentic Christianity to myself.
A few years later, my best friend called me from Fort Wayne, Indiana greatly distressed. She was a reporter for a network affiliate there and had scheduled an interview with Jesse Jackson while he was there for some engagement.
During the interview at his hotel, he had tried to seduce her. She was horrified. Over and over she kept saying, “But Barbara, he was a pastor! He was a pastor!” My girl friend did not know the Lord at the time and it took some explaining to tell her that Jesse Jackson wasn’t all he was supposed to be. That recent little incident of his mistress was no surprise to those of us who knew him.
I am excited about passing your book on to one of my son’s teachers who is a very admirable young man teaching Survey of Literature. In preparation for Honors American Literature next year the students are reading “Things Fall Apart” by African author Chinua Achebe. The teacher talked about the “imperialism of Christianity” which irked my husband who has distaste for the indiscriminate maligning of Christians.
The political aspect of your book. I sure wish you hadn’t gone there. Credibility can be easily lost once you enter that fray. Even Erin Lutzer of Moody said during our recent elections that the Christian should never expect his answer to come out of Washington.
Except for Abe Lincoln who freed the slaves (and I wasn’t around to vote for him and if I had been I wouldn’t have been allowed) I am hard pressed to find any Republican President that has done anything favorably for the poor middle class, the nonwhite, or the disenfranchised. While I am glad that Bush funds and supports Abstinence Only education, I am painfully aware of the results of his cutting school funding and programs that benefit underprivileged nonwhite children. “No Child Left Behind” has just become a cute slogan with no financial backing to support it.
Perhaps someone could write a well researched book called “When Good Christians Happen to be Republicans or Democrats” By the way, I remember Jesse Jackson when he would decry that “Abortion is Black Genocide” – then he joined the Democratic platform and shut up about it. What another disappointment!
All in all, I appreciated most your well written chapters expounding on the hard things Jesus said. I am hoping those are the things that speak to the people I’m recommending your book to.
I am currently reading When Bad Christians Happen to Good People. There are moments of out right laughter for me…and yet…sometimes that laughter is covering the out right pain I remember from growing up in a church very similar to yours, Dave. Thanks for the book.
Hello. I purchased your “bad christians” book a few months ago. It really hit home on almost all the topics in your book. I had hand written about 4 legal pad pages in response to your first book however, I didn’t type it in yet. I had thought of chapters that could have been added that are areas that have left me wounded. One of the major ones is the area of what I call “Theological Bondage.” After you begin to notice it we are steeped heavily in it our Methodist denomination that I attend. A careful look at the book of Galations will bring theological bondage to light. When Paul references to not go back into bondage he is talking about not a bondage of theology and not necessarily a sin bondage. I think what he was trying to tell Galatian church is that you can’t make “Grace” fit into a religion of “Law” and expect things to not clash. I think this may be what Jesus was refering to when he talked about new wine in old skins, etc. Unfortunetly that is what happens in most churches. I don’t think they have a clue as to what Grace is really all about. Anyway, your book brought to mind how a recent pastor we had was rather oppressive with the congregation. Always hammering us on being there everytime the church doors opened otherwise it was a “vote to close the doors” as he put it. I had never had a preacher reprimand the congregation for not looking at him while preaching……we were not even allowed to glance out the window…and he even critisized looking the verses up in the bible while he was going through his sermon! He was extremely protective to the point of being a nuisance and called people who were coming part time to services….and mangaged to drive them away. I think a lot of his actions truly reflected his core belief that follows strict Armenian theology….that says, you can be saved and then you can still lose/give up/whatever your salvation and end up in hell. He pressed us so hard on church attendance and the like that I believe it can only be a reflection of the Armenian belief. Thankfully he has stepped down last year and we all breathed a sigh of relief. However, as your book stated….the damage has already been done. I am currrently trying to get as many people as possible to read your books..including our new pastor.
After reading your second book I noticed that you came right out and admitted the conclusion that I have been coming to for the past several months and years. And that would be that Fundamentalism is not necessarily a good thing. Fundamentalism has fallen into the “Law” side of theology and it can’t seem to get out. I am not saying that I am jumping on the extreme “Liberal” side of the fence either but I am trying to learn to not judge people as much (talk about a job) and to lose any self righteousness that seems to climb on board at every stop.
I think you could write a chapter on the following topics…or maybe ideas for a third book.
King James onlyism. I have wrestled with that mess for a while and finally adopted that I should read all the versions and learn as much as possible and not mess with that fight any longer. Its a waste of time and people are going to hell in the meantime.
Church Building issues: Never is there such a flare up as when church maintenance or new construction or building project prioritizing! I have been present in heated building meetings that led me to the conclusion that it would be best if the church building burned down so we can get our heads on straight and learn what the real priorities are. There is a place for fiscal responsibility….but come on.
Alters in Churches: This last pastor that I mentioned above was adamant about praying at the alter. I am more convince than ever that an alter has no place what so ever in a new testament church! Jesus was the last sacrifice. Somehow this old testament law ritual has made its way into our churches…….not sure it should even be there period. You mentioned “Mortifcation of the Flesh” in your first book……..imagine someone in modern times walking into a church building that contains an Alter for sacrifices!
Where does the Holy Spirit Live?: This same pastor along with some others that have stood before us have this belief that the walls of the church building are somehow more sacred or contain some holy essance that makes the building elligible for supreme reverence and fear! This theology drives me bonkers. To my understanding, God quit living in stone and wood about 2000 years ago, period. I can see it as a place to go to worship that is away from the hustle and bustle of life…..but to give it any thing more than an assembly point for the “real” church to meet is leading us back into bondage.
I could probably ad more topics but its getting late I have to get to work tomorrow.
Your books have been a great help to my view of theology and to fundamentalism as well to the priorities that we pile up that really don’t mean much.
Also, I forgot to mention that I live about 45 minutes south of your child hood town of Chillicothe, Oh. I am in the Lucasville area and Scioto County.
Just read “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”. I bought the book because of the title and was not disappointed. You are “right on” on most things. My experince with “Bad Christians” during 30 years as a Pastor agrees with your book. I do take exception to the tone and content of Chapter 12. Maybe after re-reading the chapter I will sit down and express my concerns and particular disagreements. I am looking forward to reading your new book. Your writing deserves a wide audience.
still prayerfully licking my wounds from 34 years of “saved” Christianity and trying to find health, healing and reality in my walk with other christians. Have no idea still what a healthy church for me will be. Enjoying your book. thanks for writting it.
I just finished your first book. So much of what you said hit a nerve and needed to! Thank you! I was raised in church and love going. However, I need to hear what other people experience and how to better relate to the non-churched. I don’t want to be just a “good” Christian, I want to be contagious. Your book has helped!
Also, your remark about public school teachers being in a mission field…I was flattered to hear you say it. I have felt I was called to be a teacher, and I love my students. Christian school is wonderful, but we need Christian teachers in public school too.
I read your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” yesterday. I have been going through some personal issues, not with Bad Christians, but mostly issues of self-doubt and direction in life. You have an interesting site. I’ve bookmarked it for future reference.
My family has been members of a United Methodist Church for 15 years. Three years ago I was on staff co-ordinating a new ministry (after school care for middle schoolers) when we got two new pastors. They were not supportive of my program. When things got bad in the electronics field my husband had to lay off 200 people. This was extremely stressful for him. He started taking it out on me and my children. I have emotional problems. I was so scared of what I might lose in standing up to my husband that I became suicidal and had a nervous breakdown. I was immediately relieved from my postion which nearly broke me in two. The program folded a year later. This pastor lies in the pulpit, is manipulative, is not concerned about hurting peoples feelings among other things. My oldest son was very involved in the youth group and needed it. Now he is in college and we are trying other churches. It has been very difficult to let go of our church family. Thank you for your book. It has been difficult finding any help at all. Many points were very helpful. Especially leaving the revenge to God. My second son still wants to attend this church because he has been there since he was one. I go get fed elsewhere and come back to visit. Because this is still ongoing the forgiveness is very hard. Thank you for your ministry.
Dear Dave, I saw you on The Harvest Show (WHT) and was excited to get a book on this subject. I have been pastoring for 5 years starting a new church and have seen a revolving door spinning of people in and out of our ministry. We had one young lady that was helping with the youth in an assistant role that decided to start having her boyfriend stay over all night. When we met (with as much love as we could muster) to ask her to step down for a while until she could get her personal life in order, she was offended and left the church. It was learned about 4 weeks later that she was pregnant. Another individual (35 year old single man) working in the youth program decided that it was OK (after I had clearly taught the group against such practices) for him to pick up a teenage girl (15) alone that was at risk (she had a history of being with adult men) and travel 30 miles to his house where he lived with his 17 year old son. I met with this man (whom I had earlier led to the Lord) and privately discussed this incident with him sharing with him the dangers of such practices. I did not remove him, I did not attack him, I simply took the time to teach him why we must be careful of our actions. He was offended that I did not “Trust” him and left the church. These are two examples of where I as the undershepherd saw the danger of what may happen to the flock when the sheep were left to their own ways. I enjoyed this book (Bring ‘Em Back Alive), but believe that it doesn’t go far enough in the area of how to bring them back. How do you get someone to come back who is offended at sound instruction? John Bevere’s book on the Bait of Satan would be a great companion writing to this book. Then follow up with John’s book on Under Cover. Yes, there are people in ministry that can be (or come across as) mean-spirited and there are insensitive people in ministry that can learn from this book. On the other hand, maybe your next book can be from the perspective of Christians being molded into the image of God by rising above these “unfortunate” encounters with “Bad Christians” and perservering on in the church. Iron sharpeneth iron…… it isn’t always easy!
Dear Dave, I saw you on The Harvest Show (WHT) and was excited to get a book on this subject. I have been pastoring for 5 years starting a new church and have seen a revolving door spinning of people in and out of our ministry. We had one young lady that was helping with the youth in an assistant role that decided to start having her boyfriend stay over all night. When we met (with as much love as we could muster) to ask her to step down for a while until she could get her personal life in order, she was offended and left the church. It was learned about 4 weeks later that she was pregnant. Another individual (35 year old single man) working in the youth program decided that it was OK (after I had clearly taught the group against such practices) for him to pick up a teenage girl (15) alone that was at risk (she had a history of being with adult men) and travel 30 miles to his house where he lived with his 17 year old son. I met with this man (whom I had earlier led to the Lord) and privately discussed this incident with him sharing with him the dangers of such practices. I did not remove him, I did not attack him, I simply took the time to teach him why we must be careful of our actions. He was offended that I did not “Trust” him and left the church. These are two examples of where I as the undershepherd saw the danger of what may happen to the flock when the sheep were left to their own ways. I enjoyed this book (Bring ‘Em Back Alive), but believe that it doesn’t go far enough in the area of how to bring them back. How do you get someone to come back who is offended at sound instruction? John Bevere’s book on the Bait of Satan would be a great companion writing to this book. Then follow up with John’s book on Under Cover. Yes, there are people in ministry that can be (or come across as) mean-spirited and there are insensitive people in ministry that can learn from this book. On the other hand, maybe your next book can be from the perspective of Christians being molded into the image of God by rising above these “unfortunate” encounters with “Bad Christians” and perservering on in the church. Iron sharpeneth iron…… it isn’t always easy!
I have truly enjoyed your first book! You have a wonderful gift in your insight and humor. Your book gives me hope once more that I will find the community I am looking for. I am one who has wandered away, and I have recently recommitted my life to Christ. I am having a real hard time with finding a church where I am -if not comfortable, at least not terrified. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Lord with all my heart, but I have some real issues with organized religion (hateful, judgmental, intolerant,just plain mean). Just when I thought I was ready to come back, realizing that I (imagine that) could be judgmental in a different way, we have the election and all the division that has accompanied it. I feel very strongly about not shoving my Christianity down someone’s throat. I believe God calls us to witness (noun) with our lives and I truly think we are turning more people away from God because of the apparant narrowness and stridency of the Christian right. Most of my peers don’t want to be “one of them”. I will stop there because I can really get on my soapbox, but your book was a ray of light. I have purchased your new book, because I really feel led to find my way back into a community of believers. I know someday the Lord will lead me where I can be of service to Him-I have my own experience to offer and it will be somewhere where I can be used best. I hope God speaks to me through your book on ways to reconcile my doubts and fears. Thank you for your obedience (see, you did it) in using your time and talents for the purpose of the Lord. Love your sense of humor. Oh, also, I am a life long Cleveland Browns fan-so I feel your pain and understand your commitment.
Dave, I heard you on KDOV with Perry Atkinson this morning in Medford, Oregon and was thrilled to hear about Bring ‘Em Back Alive. About 7 years ago in a “revival service” the Lord in his quiet peaceful voice said, “Are you willing to be broken for me?” My heart jumped up immediately and said, “YES!; my brain said, “Excuse me, could You define broken???” Anyway, I went on to develop a rare disease and 2 chronic pain syndromes. I spent the first almost 4 years of my illnesses focused on learning to accept my limitations and looking inward. Finally, I starated taking those baby steps back to fellowship with the Lord. In those 4 years, however, all my Christian friends fell away. One, the pastor of a “home church” group I attended as well as my own church (the group was full of Christians hurt by the church who were not willing to go back), had said if the Lord did this thing, he would be with me every step of the way. I haven’t heard from him now in 3 years. Mostly, they are upset that I have not been healed. I was told by my “spiritual mom” I needed healing and was not trying to be healed. (Big sigh!) I have forgiven them and am praying for them, but I think this occurs more frequently than I had ever imagined; never thought it would happen to me. The Lord has revealed to me what I am going through is (being an economical God) both the brokenness he asked me to go through as well as chastisment for disobedience from a few years ago. He also told me he would not heal me supernaturally; that this was the path I needed to walk. I am absolutely fine with that (praise the Lord, they are chronic illnesses; nothing terminal!) and really have a hard time understanding why my Christian brothers and sisters can’t be too. For the last several months, the Lord has been guiding me toward doing something about the church’s attitude not only towards Christian illnesses but also about Christian attitudes towards people who happen to get into a life situation where they cannot work, have no income and have trouble paying their bills. Most have no outreach at all (my church will give $50 occasionally from the “Helps” fund). Thankfully, the Friends Church has a wonderful food pantry. So the Lord has burdened me with the fact people like me, formerly hardworking, self-supporting, who run into my situation have no place to turn and how different our churches are today from the first century church whick took care of their own. I don’t know where He is leading me with this, but at least now I know I won’t have to write the book because you already did! Thank you for that and I truly believe they are (both) something every member of every body should read (as well as the leadership). I am looking forward to reading them as soon as I can afford them! God bless you, your family and your ministry. Linda Y.
i was glad to know that someone wrote about this. This is a wound that is very hard to cure. This bait that Satan sets is somethng that will and has destroyed many lives and families. It took me almost 10 years to not feel like someone was constantly pulling the scab off a sore. I thank God that i have been set free but my heart still hurt for those who can’t seem to go on. The book “the bait of satan”, helped me a lot and i am looking forward to reading your work to help me go after those that are wounded and and their “shepherd” has scattered.
i am trying to read book, can’t access it?
i heard you on tv lastnight, am very excited to read your book!
god bless you very much for writing & sharing this!
your sister in the lord.
susan owens
Hey Dave, I really enjoyed your book, I am a youth pastor at a church in Greenville, TX and a lot of my youth have been wounded by a past pastor at our church. Your book has helped me a lot to understand their wounds and minister to them in an effective and understanding way. I also shared this book with my mom who has been wounded by her church. Your a true lamb that roars, and I know Mr. Briner and his family are proud! Thank you,
Tyson Alexander
Dave, I heard part of your AFR visit yesterday. I cannot guess the number of tears that I have shed because of (neglectful) injury. I became honest about a very severe mental health situation, and they were not prepared to reach out with any assurance. But God graciously sent other angels to minister to me. Several attempts at restoration were very short-lived. I currently can’t even walk into this church. I trust that as my wife and I look into your books, we will find some hope. Whether it is our former church or a future one, I hope that we can bring real-life education to those who are ready to be doers of what God expects of them. Blessings to you. Gary
Dave, your book “Bring ‘Em Back Alive” has giving me vision in leading White Mound Baptist Church. Our community is full of church members that have abandoned the church and our church is going to make it a goal to lovingly pursure those that have left. Thank you for your faithfulness and your friendship.
I’ve just finished “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People,” and I just want to thank you for your wake-up call for Christians to constantly look at behavior and attitudes and the effect it can have on non-believers. By ourselves, it’s almost im-possible to make a change, but with God, all things are possible.
Keep sharing the good news!
In Christ,
Rev. Kevin Shelton
Pastor of Discipleship
Good Shepherd United Methodist Church
Kansas City, Mo.
DAVE, I HEARD ABOUT YOUR BOOK WHILE YOU WERE ON KTIS ON THURSDAY MORNING AT THE STATE FAIR IN MINNESOTA. (SORRY ABOUT NOT BEING VERY GRACIOUS HOSTS TO THE TEXAS RANGERS WHILE THEIR HERE).
THE BOOK INTRESTED ME, BECAUSE AS AN ELDER AT OUR CHURCH WE ARE WORKING ON TRYING TO CONTACT THE LOST SHEEP OF OUR CHURCH. I AM GOING TO BUY THE BOOK TO HOPEFULLY GET NEW IDEAS OF HOW TO BRING THEM BACK. ITS A
STRUGGLE TO KNOW HOW TO APPROACH THEM AND FIND OUT WHY THEY LEFT, AND
TRY TO BRING THEM BACK.
I THANK GOD FOR THE PASTORS WE HAVE AT OUR CHURCH, THEY ARE NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK THE TRUTH, SOMETHING THAT IS MISSING FROM SOME CHURCHES TODAY.
GODS BLESSING TO YOU, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. ELDON
I have almost finished your second book “Bring ‘Em Back Alive” and found it a very compelling approach to what I see as one of the biggest problems facing the modern Church. The church is the Body of Christ, if we like it or not, and we are the members of that one Body, if we like it or not. God does confound the wisdom of the world, none of us would have done it this way, but this “foolishness” does show the Power of God. I did not read your First book “When Bad Christians happen to Good People”; I did read the first chapter on your website. About your Daughter Katie may the peace of Christ continue to comfort you and your family.
Another title I might suggest for a sequel “When Good Christians happen to Good People”. Let me explain I have been mugged two times in my life one of them beat me up pretty good and chased me down the street with a shotgun. I have no problem forgiving them; they were nuts I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and so on. But when those who get close gut you it wounds much deeper and stays much longer. I have had Arthritis for years, Glaucoma and was in a fire that left me with third degree burns over 40% of my body. I remember every single bit of the pain, sitting in the bathtub as the dead skin floated up, the ride to the hospital, me laying on the gurney and looking back while they cut the dead skin from my legs and back. I would rather go through that again then feel the spiritual pain that can be inflicted with in faith communities. These faith communities are made up of the cream of the crop in most cases, but often are driven to a perfection that cannot be achieved on this side of the grave or the next. They are often so busy ministering they forget to minister and the church becomes a corporation or a factory, with the CEO Pastor, the board of directors and so on.
I have had one desire in my life, to follow Christ in service to others. I don’t think this is I because I am pretty much a bottom feeder in comparison to God and it is nothing but Grace that I do anything for anyone. For the last 22 years I have worked with people who have disabilities, so your story about your daughter touched home. I have lost well over 100 students sense I started and the grief is at times quite overwhelming. Faith communities do not deal very well with grief, it is often seen as a Character flaw or even open rebellion to God. My last experience with a faith community ended with a message being left on my answering machine telling me never to come back after some ten years of service. I do not think any of these people are evil, in fact my first response was to try to reconcile, a bad move on my part, but that was my aim.
What the Body, IE the Church needs help in is Honest dialog about issues, not Rhetoric or “one-linerisms” but in honest dialog about issues. I believe this would help a great deal. I won’t go any further in my story. I just know I am just so terrified of Christians now, I don’t trust the mechanisms any more. The people yes, but the mechanisms no. If that makes any sense. I wish and hope Pastors and leaders read this book, the sear loss of potential is staggering, and I do not think the Church can afford it with the storms that will soon be coming. May the God of all Comfort grant us the ability to Comfort.
Your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” is wonderful and it has really made me reflect on how I have been. Thank you so much for writting this book and will read your other one also
Excited to read the new book your first book has been an encouragement to wounded christians I have shared the first book with. I am going get new book and share that one too! I have had to buy a few copies but it is a great investment for sharing with my fellow christians whom I love dearly.
Thanks again for writing about these things it is important to be able to understand these issues and remember we all fail that is why we have a savior. God Bless you and your family for having the heart to share parts of your lives as well through these books.
I change channels the instant a sports program comes on; I’m the liberal your mother warned you about; I’m gay; and yes, I am a Christian–oh, and by the way, the secretary of a church, no less.
Clearly there are quite a few differences in our lives. But in spite of our rather obvious differences I found your book a tremendously powerful breath of fresh air. I read it in a single sitting, I’ve purchased a copy for our minister, and I’m recommending it to every one I meet.
My maiden name is Burchett. I grew up in Eastpointe, Michigan with my 4 other siblings and a strong, Christan background. My nephew’s name is Dave Burchett and he is a gospel singer in his spare time with my niece Sandy. It’s just a coincidence that I thought you might find interesting
Dear Mr. Burchett,
I am in the midst of reading your new book,Dave. I am so very challenged by your message. We are in the middle of a church split.I have been there since 1968.It is very painful as you well know.Your book has given me hope.Thank You for your concern.
I have recommended this book to everyone since the day I began reading your book. I just so happened to have finished it on my birthday, June 15th. Of course you can imagine the emotions that ran through me finishing on that exact day. It is now the book of the month for July at my online prayer group. I could probably write a book on how your book has helped me. I had left the church for years because I didn’t like what I saw there. I even held on to some of the feelings before reading your book. I would love to hear from you sometime. The R.O.C. after my name stands for Representative of Christ. I think I learned to like that title better. Your book is awesome. Thanks!
I just finished your book last night and passed it on to my Dad who is a third-generation minister (thought there were plenty of sermon topics for him). Thank you for giving a honest and insightful view into the world of Christianity. Since I am a recovering preacher’s kid (I am a poster child of what can happen when people fail to live like Christ)I have been searching for not just rhetoric about what is wrong with the Christian society, but answers and how to stop the vicious cycle that destroys so many people’s lives. You have eloquently and biblically giving me solutions to my ongoing battle with pleasing people versus pleasing God. Finding your book in our local bookstore was a “God-thing”. It came at a time when I was contemplating leaving the “church” and all that it stands for. Your words have helped the healing process begin in my life. Thank you for being sensitive to God’s leading and allowing yourself to be a vulnerable servant of Christ. Continue your ministry for you are in great company (Yancey, Ravi Zacharias, Colson)
Dave…As a young and naive sinner, (who happens to also be a pastor), I have dived head first into your incredibly insightful, authentic, and honest book. Along with you, I have found Yancey’s work, (pretty much anything) helpful and life changing. Thank you for your candor and openness, may the church become what it was intended to be…a refuge for “Katie”.
I have drifted into this Website by chance, but couldn’t resist the title of your book and read Introduction and Chapter One in one go. Dave, thank you for your huge heart and humanity. I loved your writing, and I know it will make me look inside.
Excellent Book. We are reading it in our young adult class at our church. We are finding that some of our young adults have been badly hurt so maybe this will help them as well as help all to realize how we can hurt each other. Great ideas for us to try to make sure we are not the “Bad Christians”.
As someone who considers you a true friend I am sorry that it took me this long to read your book, but it was God’s timing not mine and it came when I needed it. The book is awesome and so are you. I look forward to the next one and will try to fit it in a bit sooner. I hope to make it out to the Ball Yard this summer to see you and the crew. My prayer is that if I can be half as good a director and mentor to others that you have been to me then I will be blessed. My love to you and your family..especially your knucklehead eldest.
Dave,
Thank you so much for having the guts to put into print what some of us Christians have been feeling and thinking.
The book was refreshing. As an avid reader, there’s nothing I enjoy more than great writing on a great topic. The title of your book grabbed my attention, but I was afraid that, like so many times, I would buy the book and it would not live up to its title. I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the content in the book. Each chapter skillfully communicated thought-provoking and candid ideas and insights in an entertaining way. As a journalist, I especially enjoyed the paragraph about the “evil media” in the victimization section. Sometimes it can be frustrating to work really hard to bring fair and accurate news to the public, then attend church events to hear members complain about the liberal, evil media. If I wasn’t so busy striving for fairness and accuracy, I would play a violin for them. Anyway, I learned a lot from your book. I usually complain about the overpricing of paperback books, but yours was worth every penny. Thank you for stepping out on a limb.
Dear Dave, I too have adult ADD and it’s a rare book that holds my attention and keeps me coming back and turning pages to the end. Your book had me, by turns, laughing out loud, wiping a tear, nodding in agreement, and muttering “ouch” when I saw myself in it. I belong to a Weightwatchers online message board called “Inspiration Soup.” It’s supposed to be for sharing encouragement on our weight loss journeys toward better health. But too often it’s a place of contention, as non-Christians are repeatedly, unrelentingly harassed by, ahem, “Christians.” As a Christian myself, I am apalled and usually stay out of the arguments. But when I see someone unfairly under attack, then I have returned fire, and not in a nice or Christian way. I’m afraid I’ve given as good as I’ve gotten in the sarcasm department. I’ve found better company on the board among the Wiccans, Pagans, and Buddhists than among the “Christians.” Now I know why, after reading your book (which was recommended to me by a Wiccan). The vast majority of those “non-Christians” behave in a more Christlike way than the Christians. The “fundies” on the board have had one positive affect – they’ve made me sit up and think seriously about what I believe. Thank you Dave for putting words to the thoughts I’ve been having. God bless!
My husband and I “took on” reading Christian books for our Lenten exercises. My husband read his book first (because of the interesting title), and he talked about it the entire time he read it. Of course, I had to read it, because he had found the book itself more interesting than its title. It made us think hard about our everyday actions as Christians and the role our church should play as we encounter other Christians and non-Christians. We, too, think actions speak louder than words; although you gave many examples of how to share the love of Christ with the world. It made me think of the bumper sticker that reads, “Love them all, let God sort them out.” Thank you for a book that truly makes us evaluate ourselves. Please write more.
Read the book while holding it in one hand. In the other, hold a handful of high-liter markers. Pick your favorite color to high-lite Dave’s humor. Make sure it has plenty of ink- you’ll need it. Pick a second color to high-lite all the insights you need to further research. Thirdly, pick a color (I suggest blue) that makes you feel good about yourself and high-lite all of those passages. Then pick a color, probably that obnoxiously day-glo yellow to high-lite all the areas where you (we) can improve. Maybe it’ll take two of those. Thank you, Dave, for your colorful insights and peace to you as you walk the path.
Hi Dave, When I bought the book I thought I would ‘see’ lots of ‘other people’ in it. Instead I saw myself. A little bit. (well,okay, maybe more than I would like to admit.)
Ouch, Ouch, Ouch!
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
Blessings to you and yours
Loved the book and now recomending it to all my friends
You have felt God’s pain at how we fail to do what He has shown us. I hope that it helps keep me on the path that He has shown me.
James M Sandbrook (jms@xtra.co.nz) Tokoroa, New Zealand.
Hello Dave, I have just finished your book, its great! It helped me with many questions that I had. Your effort will help a lot of people and I am pleased that I got a chance to read it. I have to admit I shed a few tears reading the book which is good, because to me it shows that your book reached me in many ways as well as helped me understand many things about Christians and being a good Christian. God bless you and your family!
I borrowed your book from a friend and could hardly stand it because I wanted to use my hi-lighter pen to mark favorite passages. I do that with books and articles that inspire me. Guess what! He gave me permission to hi-light and then said, “You can have the book.” One of the best gifts I ever received. I’ll be sharing it at our Women Renewed Retreat at Covenant Presbyterian Church in Ligonier, PA on March 13, 2004. I cried when I read about Katie. God does manage to give us some spectacular gifts wrapped up in love and heartache. May God continue to bless you and your family.
I can’t say anything more than what has already been expressed by those already on this site.
I feel it is important, though, to stress that reading what has been so well expressed helped me to accept the faith that I have and have always had.
It was ME who felt that I wasn’t “Christian Enough”, or, faithful to God and Jesus enough simply because I chose not to judge and condemn.
Now, I feel a weight off of my shoulders and an ease in my heart. Thank you very very much!
Thank you for this book, Dave. It touched more than any book has in a long,long time. I was once in the ministry for 13 yrs. Then my life and the lives of my kids took a big turn when my then husband had a “moral failure”. I saw how our lives caused so much PAIN in our kids, church and beyond. So I have been part of the Bad Christians and then felt the cold shoulder of the “Christians” because they had no clue what to do with us. I have not been a part of the church for the last 10 yrs. When we do attend I always end up very depressed. I love God so very much and want to walk the talk. I have a sense of new possibilities since reading your book and plan to buy 2 more copys for my now adult kids. Again thank you from the bottom of my heart!
I finished reading your book about a week ago and am still digesting it. I have been Christian for about 10 years. Along the way, I have found my greatest struggle to be showing grace to other Christians who make me cringe in their judgement and dismissal of anyone not already like them.
I was hampered in my road to faith by people who were disgracefully judgemental in the name of Christ, and my sister has been throroughly turned off to Christianity because of people who tried to scare and judge her when she needed love and understanding.
I have also been wounded by people who call themselves Christian yet continue to violate all the rules they use to judge and assess others. It’s taken time and distance to begin to heal, and I know God will help me forgive them.
I often err of the side of not speaking for my faith, because I fear having the same negative effect on others that some had on me. It was nice to finally read a coherent assessment of where we all fail, and how we can work toward being the light Christ calls us to be in the world.
Thanks for your efforts and your thoughts. It will help me move away from silence into honest and clear dialogue about my faith, with both Christians and non-Christians alike.
Thank you for giving voice to what has been on my mind. The damage that unthoughtful “Christians” inflict on tender hearts is appalling. I think we can put some churches, and denominations in the same mix. And to add to the distress, too many believers are at a loss on how to apply healing balm to hurt believers and non-believers because they are afraid to confess that bad behavior happens by “Christian” people (unless they are from a different church or denomination:). Does the word dysfunctional fit? The church has been described as Jesus with skin. When the church deliberatly hurts another believer…it becomes very difficult to disassociate that bad behavior with Jesus. So, is the church…Jesus with skin on? I guess only true believers know. My prayer is as Jesus prayed, “Father forgive them, they don’t know what they are doing.” And that is the problem. They don’t think about what Jesus instructed us to do. “Do to others, what you would have them do to you.”
Wow. I’m only half way through your book and just had to let you know that it’s amazing. You’ve articulated everything I’ve wanted to say for so long. I was on the floor laughing when I read Godly or Gaudy. I am definitely telling all my friends to read this book. It’s so good to know that I am not the only one who thinks these things. Are you writing another book soon? This is the one of the most honest and hard-hitting books I’ve read in a long time (and I’m a tough critic). Keep it up.
I have just read your book and thoroughly enjoyed it. One comment – Have your ever contacted Benny Hinn and discussed with him your concerns with his theology or ministry? I think you should do that as he is a Christian brother and it is our responsibilty to go to our brother when their are serious differences of opinion. Graham Freemantle, Toowoon Bay, Australia. Note from Dave…
That is a fair question. Mr. Hinn has been confronted by several brothers in Christ and he has promised to change certain teachings and tactics. He has not done that. I believe his stewardship of God’s money is appalling. Mr.Hinn has not been forthcoming about that. It is a fine line we walk between being honest and being hurtful. It is my desire that my brothers and sisters in Christ use their resources effectively for the Kingdom of God. I pray that I have not abused that desire. Thank you for caring enough to share your concern.
I have thoroughly enjoyed your book. I read it because I have a relation who thinks all Christians are a bunch of hypocrites and I was hoping it would help her to realize one shouldn’t judge Christ on his followers. Whether she will read it or not remains to be seen. Thank you for the many valuable insights you give. Evelyn Alston – East London, South Africa.
Dave, my father, Earl McAllister use to work for your father at Mead Corp. in Chillicothe, Ohio. Your dad contacted my father a few weeks ago and during their conversation told him about your book. I bought it for dad for Christmas. He reads the newspaper everyday, never a “book”, besides the Bible. He read your book in just a few days. Anytime I would call and ask what he was doing, he would say “Reading that book”. He really enjoyed it.
He thought you had another book coming out soon, but we have not been able to locate it. Do you?
May God Bless You and Your Family,
Earl and daughter, Mary Ruth – Piketon, OH
A former AIA Pro Staff, now serving as an Associate Pastor of Equipping (APE?), I’m thoroughly enjoying and agreeing with your book (while wincing at the same time, because I’m seeing so much of these truths in myself and the church).
Thank you for an inspirational book, which has helped to put my Christian walk in perspective. I finished reading your book last night and it has challenged me to look at my own walk; instead of judging those who have hurt along the way.
God bless you and your family. I just finished your book last night and my wife couldn’t wait to start. Thanks for the wonderful insights. The Holy Spirit really moved in me.
Read your book in two days and need to read it again–slower this time!!! I have been seeking how to be a good Christian for some time now and had been having this feeling that I was supposed to keep one foot firmly in the “Christian” world while having the other foot firmly in the “secular” world. I was starting to wonder if this was my way of not making a full commitment to my Christian life like so very many of my friends do. In reading your book, I have come to understand that much more clearly the responsability we have as Christians to straddle the two worlds in order to reach one and be sustained by the other.
Thank you for your wonderful insights. God Bless you and your family. And God bless your Katie.
Just saw a comment below that it all comes down to keeping our eye on Jesus and not on people. Just heard that particular comment this week myself. To my thinking that’s what weak Christians say when they don’t want to take the time to acknowledge sin in the church and themselves and they think making that statement will just make the problem go away. Just another example of the trite self-righteous “rubber-stamp” pat answers addressed in your book. I need to find my copy of your book and read it again. Haven’t attended church in awhile, although I do fellowship with other Christians, because I’m just so angry all the time. Perhaps you could put up some links to websites that would help the good people who’ve been damaged by bad Christians to heal from the damage. I’m looking forward to your next book.
We really enjoyed reading your book together – it challenged us and validated feelings from my husband’s upbringing in the church. So many “well-meaning” bad Christians helped turn his life away from God. Your book contains some of the same sentiments he has expressed over the years. As we were reading the book, he commented that it’s great to know someone else had the same thoughts and has actually put them into print. Thank you for the insight and validation.
This was my first time to visit your website. I’m telling you that I’m so glad that I’ve visited such a website and it is my prayer and hope that you will find encouragement through what is written in there. As Ayron Haytt said already , I hope many of religious and non-religious friends will read and understand its truth.
WOW!! I…..or is it WE are not alone!! I am so very tired of persons doing things in ‘Jesus’ name that I’m embarassed about! Is there any potential that a study guide might follow?
Your book is a great companion to “Fit Bodies Fat Minds” by Os Guiness.
Very provocative! Touched the nerve of many significant issues in Christianity. I enjoyed your style–got some great laughs while I was being convicted at the same time.
Write More Books Please! My Study group loved this book. Although we did lose a couple guys that saw too much of a mirror image and couldn’t handle the truth. It has changed my behavior tremendously. I am a adult survivor of preacher kid syndrome and I would like you write more about that subject.
Dave, Thanks for your book. Roaring Lambs has been my favorite book since I first read it 3 years ago. It has now been replaced by your tome. You’ve hit the nail on the head with it & clearly shown us (Christians) why we aren’t having an impact in our world. You’ve really challenged me in my personal walk with Christ.
This is the book I would have written if I’d ever got round to writing one. Now I won’t need to!!
Thank you for it, I have found it most encouraging that others think the same as me. I appreciate the fact that you have been constructively critical of the church, and that you never allowed your scepticism to slip into cynicism.
Thank you again; by the way loads of my friends want to borrow it!!
I was searching for answers on how to deal with my bitterness towards my church group who negelect their members who experience trials that they do not understand or take the time to give love even though they do not understand the trial. I felt truly abandoned by my brethren! But through this ongoing trial my husband was saved after many years of waiting and praying and my kids continue to seek the Savior as they have grown. I am thankful for your book as it came to me at a great time of need. Bitterness does its own damage if left to grow. The book has been very encouraging and gave me new hope that I can live life with Christ without outward appearances and legality that keep Christians from growing or preventing them from reaching out to others who do not know the Savior.
I received this book as a Christmas present from a coworker. While I have run across my share of “bad Christians”, especially in the workplace, so much in your book has convinced me that my response to my experiences has not been appropriate either. I have been among the Unchurched for most of my adult life and am seeking to change that, as well as other aspects of my life.
Your personal struggles and challenges, as well as your sense of humor make this a very real example of how we can better ourselves and our missions. Thank you and may God bless you and your family.
Thank you for putting into words what I have been feeling for so long, but lacked the strength or desire to do anything about.
This book was the wake-up call I needed. Each chapter got more captivating and convicting. I’ll admit I bought the book in May and didn’t finish until Oct. However fast you read is not the point, its whether you LEARNED anything, and I DID! I was challenged throughout the book and encouraged by it as well to stand firmer in my faith and know what I believe as a follower of Jesus. Thanks to God for giving Dave the insight to write this book. I have intentions of using what I learned to influence my circle of friends, some of whom need guidance as I did. I believe this book could be transformational for churches. However, it is too convicting for the faint of heart, and may not be well accepted by some, who would prefer just to be a “pew warmer” on Sunday morning.
Dave, I read the first 60 pages yesterday and today I finished the book!! I couldn’t put it down–except during the 4th quarter of the Colts and Buccaneers football game tonight. I started reading it because just a few days ago I’d been hurt by people that claim to be my christian friends. I knew then how I was supposed to respond, but I was frankly finding it a little hard to do, so I started reading your book (I’d bought the book several months ago, but hadn’t gotten to it yet). What I read helped give me the courage and strength to do the right thing even though it hurts deeply. It’s almost comical that the week before in our home bible study we were talking about needing christian friends, but also being aware of the pain that can be caused by those same christian friends. It’s true that we tend to expect more from christians than others. I wouldn’t have been nearly as surprised or hurt by non-christians, but I expected a little more love, acceptance and loyalty from those claiming to be my “brothers and sisters” in the Lord. Moreover though, you’ve made me evaluate myself a little closer to make sure I’m walkin my talk and if not to ask God for help to change. Thanks for a wonderfully written and insightful book.
I got this book for graduation this past June and put it in the pile of other gifts that I received that day. When I opened it to read a few weeks later, I could not put it down. I laughed and I cried harder than I have in a long time. This book was what I needed to get out of the “Spritual Rut” I was having. The awesome power of truth and the nature of “Bad Christians…” sucked me in and forced me to get real with myself and challenge myself once again to really live for Him and evaluate my personal relationship with Him. Thank you.
Understood your book, it seemed like I could have written it. (ha)Thank you very much. Maybe now I can forgive those bad Christians instead of calling them non Christians with self-serving Attitudes.
Like so many before me… Thank you for loving God with all your heart, your soul and especially your MIND! (Too many brainless Christians running around these days!)
I found an exerpt of your book while I was researching examples of how non-Christians see Christians. I read the first chapter, I knew I had to get this book and read it. I’m slowly reading it (even though it’s a real page-turner) to make sure I take it all in. You could not have worded so many of my thoughts a better way. I was raised atheist. It was a real miracle for my life to be turned around in such a drastic way. Much of what you say is true. Before I became “part of the club”, I honestly thought that all Christians were hypocrites, stupid and weak. Come to find out that there are some that are actually nice, wise and very intelligent. If only my parents, brother and the rest of my “ex-world” would only see that too, but they think I’ve been brainwashed. All they see is that I’ve joined a group that wants to force women to have babies, kill gays, wants to force the dying to live and abolish science in schools. True, it feels that way sometimes. Less than a year ago, our “old” church was faced with a very bad situation; so bad that my fiance (then youth minister) had to make the decision to resign from his very fruitful ministry… So many people that we loved, cherished, helped turned on us and it hurt. This church was my family, since my own did not understand my beliefs. I felt torn away, weeded out… I can honestly say that it was one of the most intense pains I’ve ever had to go through. Everything is better now, we found a healthy (as healthy as they come) church, but it was rough for a time. I wish I could have been reading your book then… it would have helped. I read parts of your books to our new youth group in Sunday School, the kids enjoy it but it is sometimes hard to swallow for them too. They have been brought up in the Christian way of their parents and it’s challenging to break that mold. Anyway, I’ll quit rambling and congratulate you on the writing of this book. I am very thankful that people like you, C.S. Lewis, Hank Hanegraff, Lee Strobel, Max Lucado to name a few are able to communicate the message of truth so well.
One last thing… I wonder why your book hasn’t outsold “the prayer of Jabez”…..
Hi, Dave, I just wanted to say I have enjoyed (WBCHTGP) a whole lot and find it rings true. You truly have a gift with words. As a lesbian Christian I have been as you might imagine dealing with the Gene Robinson situation lately. It is interesting that while fundamentalists are so quick to judge Robinson etc. and his having been called to a Christian vocation, we are hearing the same thing from those of the atheist/humanist/deist camp: “Why be part of something that treats you so badly?” they say and it is a tough selling point indeed. Sometimes it is hard to realize that for some, like homosexuals in America today, to pray “Dear Jesus, please protect me from your righteous followers” is a prayer we have to say constantly like a Buddhist mantra. BTW I like the sports analogies even though they zoom over my head. Despite stereotypes I’m not much of a girl jock. Thanks again.
I have not yet finished your book, but already I have referred to it one 3 occasions in lectures and devotionals.( Hope you don’t mind) I am involved in teaching training in a Christian College and your words have really struck home. God bless you for having the courage to say it as it really is. This is a thought provoking book for Christian Educators especially as well as all Christians.
Dear Dave, we have a discussion group from our church that meets twice monthly. We have covered several books and have been looking for one with a little different bent. I think we have found it in WHEN BAD CHRISTIANS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE. Our discussion on it starts tomorrow evening and we take a chapter at each meeting. Am looking forward to some interesting discussion and yes some changed attitudes, especially from yours truly. Our church is currently going through the Percept Re-vision Study. This book should be a timely help. Pray for us and God bless you.
Dave-I Just finished your book, what an eye-opener! This book should be mandantory for all Christians to read! I was blessed by When Bad Christians Happen to Good People, I think GOD has worked through you to reach the people that need the understanding that this book is giving to better our lives & our walk with GOD that is so desperatly needed in this world today. GOD bless you & I’ll pray for peace & grace on your next work!
Dave – What can I say that others haven’t? I just finished your book day-before-yesterday and it was just the medicine I needed. I’m still recovering from an abusive system I had been a part of for over 25 years. It has been over 2 years since me and my family left the church responsible for this abuse, but after so many years of being a bad Christian and receiving bad treatment from Christians I realize it will take some time to drop that baggage all together. My load is getting lighter, day by day. Your book is helping set down several pieces – thank you. By the way – I’m the friend of Victoria J. and we are discovering wonderful things together along our spiritual journey. I’ll be emailing you directly very soon. Blessings and peace to you and yours.
Enjoyed your book very much.I got it after looking on the internet after fight with my non-christian daughter over the words “most Christians are horrible”. Got her to change to “some”.
Also my friend’s husband has been harrassed by “Christians” at work, the very people you talk about. She was going to make him a T-shirt with “Christians are my cross to bear” on it to annoy them, but I think I’ve convinced her to change it to “Bad Christians are my cross to bear.”
I read her the bits about the Mother Teresa doll, WWJD shorts etc. and we hooted with laughter. I gave out Testamints at work once (Anglican College, they got the joke)
I am not a fundamentalist or evangelical Christian (Anglican) so some of your requirements such as a rejection of evolution don’t ring true to me. Yes Virginia, you can believe in a creating God and evolution.
But those points and other denominational differences are WJSHTOT. Your basic message is one we all need to hear.
I loved your message of trying to live a Christian life and not forcing the message onto people, just talking when it comes up. And it has come up as you can tell!! I come from a tradition reenforced by the Mennonites who live in my area, of faith by example, so find evangelizing very difficult. I particularly liked you admitting how hard living a Christian life is!! How we’ve all been bad Christians.(I have irritated my friend at times,but she keeps coming back for more) Looking forward to your next book.
Dave, Bought the book and could not put it down. I am a Bible college student and I wanted to read a book written from a different perspective than a pastor or a professor. This was the medicine I needed at the right time.
Thanks
This book is very challenging and convicting. To take personal responsibility for our committment to Christ is such a novel idea. Thanks for the opportunity to revisit this in such a delightful medium. I started reading this book at the library but knew I had to add it to my home resources. Except for the election leanings, excellent job!!
Dave – I purchased your book a week ago and have been really helped by it. I have been on both sides of the equation – I have been a bad Christian and I have been hurt by bad Christians – Guess that’s the whole point of the book – duh! Anyway, I really appreciate what God has done through you in writing this book. When does your next one come out?
I purchased your book yesterday, and I have read two-thirds of, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” – Boy, I am one of those Bad Christians. I know the Lord drew me to your book so I could take a serious look at my own life. The truth hurts!
I am going to buy several copies of your book as Christmas gifts for my husbands family. I think they could learn a lot from your book. They claim to be Christians but they judge more and hurt people more then any Christian I have ever met. They do nasty things and then hide behind the church.
Dear Dave, I absolutely loved your book! I couldn’t put it down for two days! I have recommended it to many people!
Some of my favorite lines from your book:
PG. 86-“The Catholics and the Lutherans have the lowest rate of divorce, perhaps because they can drink” LOL!
PG.86-Starbucks……LOL!
PG. 90- “bad spiritual hair day” LOL!
PG. 99- “that should bring them flocking in” LOL!!!!
PG.110- “Fixin’ a Place”…..is it in Texas?” LOL!!!
PG.111- Betty Ford Center/Juan Valdez Wing…LOL!!!!
PG. 162- 2nd paragraph….coffee…..LOL!
PG. 165 (cussing) “get your money’s worth!” LOL!
I especially love your sense of humor! I was also very moved and touched by Katie’s story, and I loved it at the end, with the song “The Rose” where you changed it to “Son’s love”- just beautiful! I hope you write another book SOON! I would definitely buy it! God bless you and your family! 🙂
I have never written to an author before, but I knew I had to let you know how much I appreciated this book. I heard you on WLAB-FM on “Conversations” with Melissa Montana (Fort Wayne, IN)and was intrigued by the discussion of the book. I ran across this book at a bookstore a few days ago (no accident) and knew I had to buy it. A few things I like about this book: The title, (eye catching and thought provoking before even opening it!)you continuous use of scripture in the book (reflects what God has to say, not just your interpretation of what God has to say) your honest and real approach to yourself, WJSHTOT – powerful! Your analogies brought a lot home(reading about golf won’t make me a golfer, attending seminars on marathons wont make me a runner, LOVED the one about Lombardi!) You did an excellent job of allowing me to look at myself and my sometimes judgemental/condenscending thoughts, words, tones. How will that ever reach people? I am the branch, He is the vine and if I can remember apart from him I can do no good I will be in better shape. I have recommeded this book several times already and will purchase it as gifts. Your words give us a nonthreatening invitation to look at ourselves honestly and how we represent Christ to unbelievers and those hurt by the church (us). Thank you for this book!
I am from Australia and this book relates to anyone who has been hurt or even led astray. Which is what I had been for many years. I had actually left the church because I needed answers to what had happend to me and my church basically told me that I was evil to think such things, let alone ask those questions. But now they have been answered through your book as well as through good friends who have never lost faith in our Lord and his Son. Thank-you so very much and may you always be the way you are!
I bought your book several days ago and I can’t put it down.Reading through the book you are right on the mark! It has really opened my eyes and my heart to see how much I fall short. May God bless you and your family.
Hi Dave, I checked your book out of our public library and I just finished reading it. Thank you so much for writing it. I used to go to church but don’t anymore. Your book helped me see some things I needed to. Thank you.
Dear Dave,
I love your book and have loaned it to my son who is going to pass it on to my cousin. I know I will have to buy another. Thanks for your perfectly stated insight. I have befriended a man at the cemetery where my son is buried. He lost his partner of 28 years and I just love this guy. He and his partner went to the priest for prayer for forgiveness of their lifestyle. He is hungry for the Lord and I am priviledged to be able to help feed him our Lords love and wisdom and kindness. He is on his way to a glorious relationship with Christ. Those that the church shuns like troubled kids, people in the gay lifestyle etc…are the most in need of Jesus. Love them to Him…Thanks for your great book.
Bought your book yesterday. A terrific book! After pastoring for 15 years I recognized everyone in the book…even me. Thank you for being forthright and candid about us all.
Stirring, soul searching, and powerful! Thanks for keeping my heart in my stomach and my mind on Jesus. Every once in a while (OK, every moment) we all need a little humility.
From one minister to another
Thank you so much for this book! About a year ago, I was hurt deeply by a person who claimed to be “annointed” (his word) to minister to abused women. When, during a particularly painful day, I wondered if God heard my prayers, this person accused me of “trashing God” and cut off contact.
When he tried to resestablish contact, I was wise enough to refuse.
Thankfully I had a group of genuine Christians supporting me, but I shudder to think what this man could do to someone who did not have that kind of support. Looking back I can see his self-righteous arrogance. He often spoke of his willingness to “forsake” family and friends “for God” and his “ministry.” I am sure he felt justified in turning his back on a spiritual weakling like myself!
I found out later that this is a pattern; I talked with another woman to whom he’d done the same and worse….and this man calls himself annointed!
Thank you again, for putting the hard truth out there! I am recommending your book to my family and friends.
Dave, I picked up your book in a Borders Bookstore last week, knowing that I was preparing to speak to a church torn with strife and recently split, a church in pain and picking up pieces. Your book has provided much food for thought as I hope to minister to this body. Your book title is eye-catching and sobering. Carnal Christians. . . bad Christians. No difference! But the realization of how we can cause colateral damage to those around us is humbling and should drop us to our knees physically and spiritually. Thanks for your honesty and your humor in presenting poignant truth.
I never heard of you until my wife found your book hidden away on a shelf in our local Christian bookstore. It was exactly the right medicine for me! Thanks for validating my long held opinions!
I like your website, your book excerpts and your style. It is about time somebody started talking about “bad” Christians…I’m one of them. And have watched a whole lot of them too.
Dave – the journey that birthed this book was one of blinding pain, enduring the bayonnet jabs of those who would seek to put the wounded Christian out of their own misery. Those who are hurting need help and support and encouragement from their brothers and sisters – but as you so eloquently pointed out, that is often the last place many of us have come to expect it.
It has been said, “Hurting people hurt people,” and it’s true. My husband and I were ostracized, shunned, judged, criticized and more, for having made some poor business decisions that led to personal bankruptcy. We knew we’d messed up. We thought that declaring bankruptcy was the worst thing that had happened to us – until we reached out to our brothers and sisters for prayer (not once asking for financial help.) After all that God brought us through I can honestly say that I’d rather walk over shards of glass than do it again, but that I’m glad God allowed it – because it showed us so many things, including how not to act, but also, more importantly, how bereft of merit each of us is, how we are all spiritually bankrupt and in need of God’s mercy, and how to receive that mercy and to pass it on.
That’s why we go through these things that are so incredibly difficult to endure, things that crush us so we come to God broken and undone. We lift up that brokenness to Him and He becomes our restorer and gives us the mission – to pass on what we’ve learned, to “leave a well in the valley.” This is what your book does. God bless you all!
Paul D. Powers, Founder, His Way Ministries. HisWay2Heaven777 @Y
Dave, Wow! Was my mind blown when I read your website! For way too long we have preached something that we haven’t either really believed or didn’t want to really commit to!
And that is being a real Christian by example, not by words!
Being a Christian, formerly part of the Jesus Movement, I have gone the whole gambit from the streets, to the seats, out to the streets, then knocked down off my feet! I have come to one conclusion, people need to find God themselves. There is NO formulated plan on How to Find Christ! It’s an individual thing, seeking answers to questions that God has placed in every man. Why God? Is He really real? If So Why is the World in Such a Mess? Why Does GOD allow it? When it is all said and done, its really a personal thing between the individual and God! “Going to Church Don’t Make You a Christian, Just Like Going to McDonalds Doesn’t Make You a Hamburger!” Its Time We Stop Playing Christian and become real Christians!
You’d Be Surprised at How Many Are Out There That Are Saved, AND Never Darken the Door of the Church! WAKE UP PEOPLE! WE ARE THE CHURCH! http://www.hiswayministries.us
Dave, I am the leader of a church cellgroup in Johannesburg, South Africa. We are just coming to the end of a challenging period of using your book as the basis for our study every week. Your insight and humour have given us a challenging new goal of becoming effective “in your face” Christians without offending those with whom we come in contact. What we found amazing was the similarity between your recommendations and the way Christ, Paul and the other early Christians approached non-believers. Christ showed them Love and compassion, not a scary picture of hell and damnation – that he saved for the churches! Thank you for sharing your God-given inspiration with us. We pray that the Lord will continue to Bless you and your family richly.
Your book is an inspiring reality check for Christ’s children everywhere. Yes, Christ wants ALL of His children to have the precious gift of salvation and your book poignantly shows us where we’ve judged others because the way God made them. I especially loved the chapter about sin and how the church has tried for years to remove sin from the world … zing, hit me between the eyes. We must all remove the plank from our own eyes first.
Godspeed.
I was an extreme example of a “Bad Christian” you wrote about in your book. I acquired my homophobia and hate-speech from Sunday sermons, then fell from grace and back-slid terribly. I have been both the prodigal and the older, self-righteous son and believe the latter sin to be worse than my prodigality. Thank you for a book that ministers to many people. I would like to have your permission to use your title as a title to a gospel tract I am printing from my computer. Many people who pass up traditional tracts will go, “Whoa! What’s this?” and read a tract truthfully entitled, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People.” Thank You and God Bless You.
Saw you and your wife on James Robison on Christian TV.Appreciated your story and comments.We Christians need to hold one another to account,and not a pagan culture.I have been called a “False Christian” by a very hateful non Christian individual who does not really know what a Christian is.It is best we clean our own nest and not allow the secular press,hollywood,liberal politicians,and popular culture define who and what we are.God bless you.
I needed to read your first chapter and will order the book or books. We have been treated unfairly by our Pastor and his wife with deception and unruly acts. We am having a hard time getting over it but God is helping us. We have decided that we are going to try and stay is our church if not for ourselves, our other brothers and sisters in Christ.
May God Richly Bless You and Yours, A sister in Christ Hope “Denise”
I also saw you and your wife Joni on the James Robinson television program this week. i have always felt that what you say in your book is true. . .and am ashamed to say that I have to apologise to someone. Even though I am right, they are not Christians, and I may be the one God is sending their way. I have read the first chapter on your site, and cannot wait to purchase the book. I believe that every church should have this book in their library. It would be great if pastors everywhere would preach from it! Everyone has been hurt by those in their church, but I feel it is very important to forgive and to not run from church to church. People make up the church, and until we learn the message you have in your book, WHICH IS IN GOD’S BOOK TOO!, we will continue to hurt each other. I thank God for you and your wife, and I am so very sorry for your loss of Katie. When she told how Katie smiled and then was gone, I know she was seeing Jesus too. Thank you for being obedient to the Holy Spirit’s leading, writing the book. This would be a great book to use for study on Wednesday evenings, or in Sunday School. Our three children are all out of church today due to events that range from being very cruel to painful. I cannot tell them they are wrong about the issues, because they aren’t. Also, it is very hard to defend christians in authority when they do these things, and feel they are not wrong. We want our kids and grandchildren back in church so much. We are trusting God to mend their hearts and guide each to a church where they will feel God is in control. Thank you for listening! (I am going to buy your book for all three of them. )
I saw you and your wife on the James Robinson’s show
yesterday and I plan on getting the book. You were such
an encouragement to me in what I read of the excerpts from
your book. I also agree that we wound our own sometimes
killing them. An excellent introduction and I plan on
purchasing the book. Thank you for being authentic and
stating facts and issues that need to be dealt with. It is
a wake up call.
The two of you are a great encouragement to the family of God. I am a jail chaplain, when I go to work 04/17/03 I will share your story with the inmates. I moved from Texas 04/29/99. I worked 8 years in Coffield Prison(TDCJ) I was a volunteer chaplain.I am in Banning Ca. God bless!!
I just saw you and your wife on James Robison’s show
and you were such an encouragement and I am very interested in reading your book.
God Bless you and your family.
I saw you and your lovely wife on a Christian broadcast station here in Oklahoma and cannot wait to get a copy of your book. I can somewhat identify with your experience with your daughter because I lost my first son. The doctors could/would not identify a cause of death and afterward not many so called “christian friends” would associate with me because I had “lost” the baby and they were afraid. However, a year later I had another son and he lived — then they were excited to be associated whth me. Amazing isn’t it? Now that I am older I have developed Endstage Renal Failure and again I don’t “qualify” for support from some but I know that I have more than enough support to see me through with the love and guidance from my Lord, husband and “good” christian friends. I cannot wait to read your book in its entirity as soom and I get a copy.
May the Lord bless and keep you. You and your family are truly a shining inspiration of what being a GOOD CHRISTIAN is all about.
Just saw you on James Robinson and read intro and first chapter. My husband and I were both saved as a child and raised in church and have been very involved in our church always. Raised 3 boys and 1 girl which at the age of 25 of daughter became an alcoholic and divorced in less than a year. We were so helpless and alone, even though we did have a few prayer time with her and members of church, and a few friends called there was still something missing. We felt that if we didn’t do what all friends and well meaning family wanted us to do that they knew was the answer we were “left” out. I know they wanted to help but couldn’t and their answers were not what we felt lead to. It was a very lonely time especially for me who was so use to being the helper, etc. but it was a blessing for it made me dependent on the ones I was suppose to and that was God and my husband. It’s like the church which wants to “reach” out says we want to help those that are going through the fire but not while it’s raging!!! Well, that’s when we need more help!!! We accept those that have made it through their trials, to be there to share and witness but you’re not any good until then, come back when you are “healed”. We are in a world of ALOT of hurting people and we all need Jesus!!! I’m anxious to see what the Lord has in store for our daughter, I’m confident of His Love. I’m looking forward to reading the rest of your book and to continue to learn so I can help, where we’ve been hurt.
I am already 3/4 of the way through the book and very amazed. I had felt pretty hurt by garbage in times past committed by my friends and brothers in Christ. I left my home church and haven’t found a new one. I have an easier time now with some hope after reading this, highly recommended.
Yeah, G’day From Tasmania, Australia !!! (Where the Tigers and Devils come from)
Bonzer Book!
What “an eye opening, poke in the eye”!
At one stage in my Christian life I thought it was so cool to be as obnoxious as you could.
Then the Holy Sprit intervened!
I see both sides of my self in this book!
All budding American Christian writers take note from Mr Burchett in that he quotes from non-American sources, it’s a small thing but it helps us all feel involved, and that America doesn’t have all the answers. We so love our brothers and sisters in the U.S.A. and want to grow with them not under them.
I am writing a review of this book for “The Tasmanian Anglican”
Apologies.
As a 15 year old kid, I didn’t think I’d be able to get through your book- but I did, and MAN was it worth it! My family and I have had quite a bit of rubbish from churches in our time (in fact, from every church I can remember being at), and I was almost ready to give up on my faith, full stop. But your book stopped me. Thanks. I know it’ll continue to come in handy in the future.
(…It’s also quite comforting to know that there is a published author who uses brackets as much as I do!)
Awesome book! Thank you for telling it like it really is! At a time when I was ready to walk away from my faith because of things that were done to me by “sisters” in my church, your book helped me see my way back. It helps to see that I was not the only one to experience such behavior ( Very similiar to how your family was treated by the church in regards to your daughter). It was by no accident that I came across your book! Blessings to you and your family.
I have just finished your book for the second time. I have my wife reading it now. It is still a masterpiece. I have, and will keep recommending it to everyone I can. I think you have written a very inspiring book that all Christians should read and take to heart. I can’t wait til your next book is out. Please inform me when its ready.
Thank you for a well written, thought provoking book.
“When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” has something in it for every Christian. If we take off our rose covered glasses and look in the mirror we can see where changes need to be made in our walk so that we can truly show the fruit of the spirit to EVERYONE and reach many for Christ.
I happened upon your book on the sale table of a bookstore (for $4.97, sorry) and could not have been more engaged by the title. Usually you write the author after reading the book, but I just had to tell you that if the promise of the books is as good as the title, I will love it.
My wife and I have come across employers who have professed to be Christian but their treatment of others (their employees) is harsh, demanding, mean, ugly, profane, egocentric, and, well you name it.
Two people we have encountered go to the same (society) church in the area, but no attempt to blame that church. Yet why do people go into the workplace and just display the most despicable behavior, and what is the employee to do about it–other than leave?
So maybe your book does not address just that thing, but it sure is a problem in society and in the church. Living out the true faith and example of Christ. Yes, jobs can be demanding, and each of us can get a little angry and bent out of shape, but the harshness of some professing Christians–aside from the many non-believers–is off the charts. I will write again when I finish the book.
Just finished reading your book and loved it. I feel that God directed me to read it as I’ve been anti-church for some years now. No more excuses – time to get real. God has a job for all of us and it’s time I stood up and walked forwards. Thanks for the push.
I thought your book was great, I thought i was the only one out here with that kind of sarcastic sense of humor, ain’t it grand? Anyway your thoughts were much appreciated, keep up the good work. It will give all those with the right answers something to do.(snickering up sleeve). 🙂
I walked away from evangelical Christianity several years ago as a result of rigid, it must be my way, Christians. Being a minister, I was exposed to this not only from the pew, but also from other ministers and leaders. The emotional pain was great, and when a leader in a conservative church association forced his will on me in a dispute, it was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
For the sake of my emotional health and to be free from the tyranny of man-made rules and expectations, I will never return to it.
Dave, I hope you do reach those who inflict themselves on other Christians. I’m not optimistic, but am glad you are making an effort……………Note to Mel: I don’t know if you will check back here but if you do please contact me at dave@daveburchett.com. I would love to talk with you.
May God’s grace and love surround you. Dave Burchett
WOW!!! An Emmy Award winner and an insightful Author, is there anything that this guy can’t do??? I finished your book and I loved it. I am going to be giving copies of it to my Family and some friends. It has been an insight into the way that I should approach my ministry. The only thing that perplexed me is why Charlie, Matt, and Brett received more print than Scott. Not saying that I would not have done the same thing but that is all that Scott talks about and I am tired of hearing it.
I was wandering through a Christian bookstore when the title of your book jumped into my field of vision. When I flipped to the back and answered “yes” to all five questions, I knew that I had to read your book. So far, I have found it to be inspiring and faith affirming. I especially want to thank you for sharing the story of your daughter Katie. It touched my heart, and I believe she was and continues to be the guardian angel of your family. God bless you!
My wife, Alicia, and I found your book as we walked through our church’s (Fellowship Bible Church, Little Rock) bookstore. She recognized your name from when we attended Reinhardt. I knew Dave Burdette, but I had not heard of Dave Burchett. But now I have!! Your book sounds quite intriguing – we’ll do our best to read it soon. Give my best to Jeff Kinkaid, Kurt Horting, Matt Blackmon, and Kip Kreche.
I am especially enjoying the reading of this book, as it touches a subject that is very close to my heart. I’ve talked to many people through the years, who “used” to go to church regularly, but were offended in one way or another. Examples: My neighbor went to a pentecostal church gorwing up, until the pastor learned that the daddy of the family chewed tobacco. She’s never been active in church since. I was visiting with a Mennonite fellow uptown one day, with the purpose of edifying him, yet he tried to make it sound like I didn’t love God because of my hair, clothes, jewelry. I could laugh that off, but I know this kind of thing can really turn people off.
I’m considering asking my pastor about me doing a study of this book. It is so vital that we reach the world with the gospel, in a caring and credible way. (That’s the primary part of our mission statement) We’re a church that often has about 750 people each Sunday. 8-9 years ago, it had 22. In our leadership meetings, we talk about how to get people to feel welcome and for them to want to come back. You have touched so many of the issues that we as church members have to address. We have to live the life that Jesus teaches, at all times. We can’t take Jesus’ message lightly, especially when the Bible says that people will know we are Christians by our love. To make sure that we do that, we have to get to personally know Love Himself, God. We have to have the compassion of Jesus, not the idolatry of narrowmindedness. Thank you so much for your book. I look forward to sharing it with others.
I am excited to hear/read more… a very pertinent topic for today. This “bad Christian” issue came up with a coworker just yesterday, and then I heard you on WAYfm today. I think I will read first,then share with my coworker next. Thanks!
What a neat site, Dave! Even neater: your wonderfully on-target “Bad Christians” (!) I thank you for confirming so many of my own thoughts. Now I know that I’m not crazy–those well meaning Christians got the “mean” part all right with out the well part at all! Don’t let the critics get you down. You’ve told it straight…just like Jesus did!
My wife and I are on our second reading of your book and at our suggestion our Adult Sunday School Class is using the book chapter by chapter for our discussion sessions. We have enjoyed the book and agree with many of your analyses of todays Christians.
Thank you for being a “voice crying out in the wilderness!” I’m especially convicted by the reminder that it only took a small ragamuffin crew of questionable characters, empowered by the Holy Spirit, to turn our world upside down, so what are WE waiting for??? Thank you for the kick in the pants! Blessings to all!
Dave, I just finished this book and want to thank you for the blessed challenge it brought to me in my walk with God. Thank you for putting forth the effort to help us better reflect the true spirit of Christ. God Bless, Stan
Dave, I am giving a book review of your book to a group from our church. My problem is I have bookmarked about half of the pages as important to share with them. I guess my best bet is to try to just read enough to whet their appetite to read it for themselves. I wish this was required reading for everyone who calls themselves “Christian”, (and for those who consider themselves a non-Christian also). I plan to buy more copies to give as a gift to my adult children.
There is so much to say here. I don’t know if you’ll read this, but this book has changed my life. Thank you, Dave. I hope to see you in paradise………..
Note to Brother Fred, Just wanted you to know that I read all of these and I am humbled and blessed by your words. I will look for you in paradise if we don’t cross paths before. Blessings and joy to you,
Dave Burchett
A wonderful and enlightening read. Thank you for saying what, I am sure, many feel. By the way, any idea where I can find the Jesus “fish” eating the Darwin fish?
Your willingness to be real really hit home with me. Since my dad pastored a legalistic church for years, I have been where you have been and am now, at age 54, where you are in seeking God’s watering in my sometimes wilting garden. Your book was an immense blessing to me and will be to those to whom I have already urged to buy it. I read it in three days and hope as a result that one of the thinnest books won’t be; “The things Bob Martin allowed God to do through him”. Thank you for writing this book and for being honest and real. Thank you for honoring your wife.
God bless you both and your children. I would ask a blessing for your dog, but like my dog, he has probably never made a decision for Christ.
Seriously,
In His Grace,
Bob Martin
Kim and I enjoyed dropping in to witness the book signing Saturday with the hope of affirming you as both our beloved friend; and respected, insightful author. You were so relaxed, real and casual, in stark contrast to the “lonely, pathetic author I expected”, to use your own self-abasing internet venacular. You appeared to be thoroughly enjoying yourself as did we. I was particularly moved/impressed by the fact that several of your professional couterparts chose to honor you with their visit…that shouts volumes about your testimony and influence in their lives. My only real disappointment, and candidly, “regret” was that Scott and his buddies didn’t show up to pay their “respect”.
Thank you, for signing the two books for us. Although I had read the first three chapters last year, I very much enjoyed reading several additional chapters this weekend. I connected with you immediately as I reread your poignantly based descriptions of yourself. As I read your words I am challenged to accept the grace of God as an unmerited gift and to unprejudcially share that gift with others. Your writing style and content is real, provocative, easy to read, candid and convicting.
God has truly given you the gift of filtering your life experiences through a Christian world view-perspective and imparting those truths to other mere worms and mortals of which I am one.
I look forward to finishing the book in the next couple of weeks….so…..when do I pick up the sequel?
We are grateful for our relationship with you and Joni. Sometime we need to get together with our wives and pray for our kids.
I enjoyed the book and so did my teenage daughter. While it’s no big deal to her that I know an Emmy winner or a person who makes our televised games come to life, she’s really impressed that I’m in with a Christian author and we got a lot of dialogue out of what you had to say. I know you fully realize how tough it is for us old dads to make that connection with our teens and I certainly appreciate you for providing the means to that connection.
I am really enjoying your book and marvel at the courage necessary to point us in the correct Direction. I am greatly motivated by the implications of thinking about WJSHTOT. Wow!!!
Your book attracted my attention as I was in the office of Ron McClain, who once worked with you at Athletes in Action.
I borrowed it and couldn’t put it down. It is exactly what the church in America and every Christian needs to hear.
What makes the book work, and keeps it from a Dennis Miller-style rant, is your personal humility (the disclaimer is great!) Yes, God actually chooses to use sinners–aren’t we blessed?
A friend and I were traveling through Piketon, Ohio and stopped at the Ohio Candle Company. On our way we had been discussing problems each of us were having in our church. The only book for sale in the store was yours. I had no reason to be looking for a book but something drew me to look at it and buy it. Oh my! What God had in store for us both. We read the first 5 chapters out loud while traveling and God just so blessed us with His truth through the words He gave you to write. It was completely God’s will that we find your book. You are so “right on”. I pray that many more will stumble on to a copy. Thanks for your honest and “real” sharing. I just say “Praise God”!!
I haven’t read this book yet but thanks anyway for writing it. Having grown up Catholic with all the negative connotations that goes with it, I didn’t realize how wrong I was about Christianity. REAL, TRUE CHRISTIANITY is a far cry from my first bad impression and is now a real gift in my life. I struggle with old friends and relatives who still react to those impressions. And I’m looking for gentle ways to deal with people I know who call themselves Christians but really are not. I’m looking forward to reading your book.
I caught only a very small portion of the KCBI program. Basically the last 5-8 minutes. That was enought to grab my attention. I didn’t even hear the name of the book. I had to email KCBI to find that out. It sounds great and I believe I will be purchasing at least one. I am thinking this book may make great Christmas gifts. Thanks for writing something real and helpful.
I really enjoyed hearing your interview on KCBI. I’m looking forward to the book. Sounds very timely. THanks for being a ‘winsome and contagious Christian’. 🙂
Greetings Dave! Aaron and I are now settled back in Arizona and expecting our first baby in March!
Once again, I was just checking out your site and blessed as usual! I hope you and your family are well!
Old friends for Mariners Bible Church in Newport Beach, Ca about 1977-78. We remember you being with Athletes in Action at that time. You were our Bible study leader.
My wife remembers helping Joni with your first boy.
We are really enjoying and are challenged by your new book.
This book is a wonderful resource. A Christian friend of mine recently had a difficult encounter with another Christian at our church. It was great to be able to recommend this book as a way to comfort, heal and above of laugh at the struggles of this world. Thank you for taking the time to write and share this book with us.
I heard you on the FISH recently. I was able to get ahold of your book right away. I am in the middle of it and it has already been an incredible help to me, both in how I have treated others (both Christian and non), and in my own Christian walk. I am finally starting to really understand God’s grace and heart for me.I have lived with a lot of fear for many years. Thank you with all my heart!!!!! Blessings to you from our Lord Jesus!!!!!
I am looking foward to reading your book as this is the heart of the Father, to reach to those who have been hurt by our human institutions that bear His name.
God is Good!! I am currently experiencing a “bad christian” time at the hands of christian brothers and sisters. I heard you with Ted and Lauren on KFSG the FISH radio station in California at a very distressing point for me personally. I immediately went to your web site for counsel. Your viewpoint opened up my thinking! I am also a sinner and subject to being a bad christian. Thank you so much for the reality check!! I can only do something about myself not affect others by “playing in the mud” with them. Looking forward to the entire book. My local Family Christian Store was out (a good sign of popularity!) Thank you again for the perspective gained.
I’m anxious to read your book! It’s been a subject that has fascinated me througout my Christian Life. About 15-20 years ago there was a book written by Franky Scaffer (son of the late Francis) I wonder if you were aware of it. It was called ‘Addicted to Mediocrity’ It took a decidedly more sarcastic tone than I imagine your book does, but you might be interested in looking it up.
I heard you on The Fish this morning and decided to check out the intro to the book. I wanted to cry! We’ve been seeing this in our church and I’ve heard my own family say they wouldn’t go to church anymore because of “Bad Christians”! Thank you for writing this. I hope I will be able to pass it on in my family.
Your book is very necessary. I just emailed you about what I am going through. I have been at my new church for two weeks as the worship leader and music director. God is giving me a new beginning.
I heard you talking with Ted & Lauren this morning on the Fish. I look forward to reading your book. Thanks for responding to God’s call to speak this truth.
I heard you this morning on my way to work. Your book sounds like the kick all of us as christians need. I look forward to reading your book and passing it on.
I heard you on 95.5 The Fish this morning on my way to work. I am anxious to read your book and am already thinking of who I am going to pass it on to. God bless you.
I had the great fortune of running across your book at the library. I thoroughly enjoyed it and would recommend it quite highly. While some Christians are busy fighting very public but negligably important battles (such as the “battle to keep prayer at the start of ball games”) you have written a persuasive discussion stressing how we should focus our resources. I found your book uncomfortably thought provoking — you have forced me to look at myself in an all too honest way. Keep up the good work!
I greatly enjoyed your book. It was wonderful. Things that you said really made me question why I do some things I do. I can tell that you have realy put a great deal of thought into your writing. With the greatest respect,
I completely enjoyed your book. My sister gave it to me. We were raised in a very conservative preacher’s home and were witnesses to many of the same things. The difference between me and my sister, she chose to use your title as an excuse to blame everyone else for her not now being a Christian. I choose not to let anyone else dictate my relationship with God. That keeps it personal. Thanks so much for writing this book.
Mr. Burchett,I loved your book! I picked it up while I was in a Christian bookstore the day after I was DEEPLY hurt by the words of my “Christian” sister-in-law. Your great sense of humor lifted my spirits that day and you made me realize how important our actions, as believers, are and the consequences of those actions. I even got my husband to start reading your book! I look forward to your next one.
I will buy this book. I have read enough to know it is a tool we need in our hands to remind us of how important it is to speak with love and under the direction of the Holy Spirit, lest we wound a precious soul. Thank you for your hard work and obedience. I don’t think a book like this is written except in obedience to our Lord.
Mr. Burchett,
You gave my father (Brad Davis) a copy of your book, and while I was home from college (Baylor) this summer I happened to pick it up and start reading. Within the first chapter I discovered how great a tool your words could be in my ministry to others. I wanted to let you know that I will soon own a copy of my own (so that I can leave my father with his), and that it will undoubtedly be of great use as I have been called to youth ministry. So thank you for sharing your insight with those of us who need it most – may the Lord continue to bless you, your family, and all that you do!
Dave–I heard part of your interview on WMBI and am looking forward to reading the sections on your website….then probably the entire book. I wholeheartedly agree with your “bad Christian” concept and can attest to being hurt by them and by being one at times.
I recently heard Dan Allender speak about leading out of our character that is marked by God, marred by sin and being re-made by Jesus’ death and resurrection. A further testimony that we need to live self-aware, vulnerable, transparent lives in order to be people who help, not hurt.
God bless your courage and efforts. I hope your book is read by many.
I just finished your book-Awesome!!! I enjoyed it so much-
The issues you discuss are the exact things that kept me from living for God for so many years!!! Now that I have come back to Him- I do not want to be a “bad christian” that keeps “good people” from knowing God, and your book has been very insightful and helpful! Thank You!
Dear Dave,
Thanks for the boldness of your insight and your love for Jesus. Thanks for the display of your own frailty and humility before God. I did not feel like you were picking on the church you were saying church we have got to model Jesus to a lost and dying world. Thanks for your work for the kingdom.
Dave, you just came into our office, however, I really didn’t meet you, but I am at the front desk. I had no idea you were the author of this book! How timely, how perfect! I just have finished your first chapter here, having heard about it from Dave Evans. I will be purchasing it if possible this afternoon, as I am leaving for an overseas holiday.
The open and honest examination of the institutional church is loooong overdue. I find Dave Burchett’s modest proposals for a sinner sensitive church quite appropiate.
Dear Dave, AWESOME AWESOME.. this book of yours hits the nail right on the head. I am a full time church worker and parttime DJ (the Fish 95.5FM CLEVELAND-OH Go BROWNS)who recently gave up her church worker job becuase i was burned soo bad by what you describe in your book. I never thought the experience could be soo painful. I hope to pass this work of art on to other people in my church body not to mention friends of the church i recently left. I thank you for writing a book that in away is like me, my style of ministry and helps me articulate better what some of my issues are. This is a fabulous book and im delighted to have read it. Can’t wait for the next installment.. or better yet bible study guide to go with… GOd’s blessings to you and your ministry
Hi Dave, It’s Jennifer from the Rangers/Tigers game in DET.
When you showed me the pic of your retreiver, Charlie, on your website I noticed a heading that caught my attention. Then I recalled you saying to someone that they should check out your website cuz you had finished your book. Well here it is Sunday after the Orioles/Tigers game and curiosity has gotten the best of me. I have enjoyed reading the 1st chapter. From what I’ve seen thus far, you’ve done a wonderful job and have reinterated many thoughts I have had myself regarding the church and the way in which we all sometimes behave. Can’t wait to see what else you have in store. Looks like it’s reaching a lot of people. That’s a good thing. Take Care and it was a pleasure working with your crew.
Dave, I heard your interview with Dan and Robin on 95.5 The Fish. Couldn’t wait to visit your site and now am anxious to get my hands on your book! I’m sure I’ll be sharing it with many friends and loved ones. God Bless
Dave…
What a breath of fresh air. I too am a Christian and work in the TV business. And as a matter of fact I was driving home after doing a Ray’s vs Chicago White Sox game in St. Pete, FL and heard your testimony on MBN (WKES). Wow, thank you for setting a Christian example in a very non-christian environment. I’m looking forward to reading your book and also to meeting you when the Rangers come to Tampa, FL. May GOD continue to bless you and guide you.
I read an article in our hometown paper on line- Chillicothe Gazette. I am looking forward to checking out your book. It is so true that some Christians act more like the devil than Jesus.
I attend the Park East Church of Christ here in Denver, CO. I was at the library one day the the title of your book caught my eye. This led me to check the book out at the library and begin reading intensively. I think this is the kind of book that Christians especially need to pay attention to. I emplore all Christians to read this book and do a self-examination of their lives. I honestly hope that yourself and other Christian authors write more books like these that “tell it like it is.” May God bless you and your family.
I heard you speak this morning on 95.5 in Cleveland, OH. Your words touched me. I was asked by my pastor to fill in this Sunday and you have been my inspiration. We are a house church and are always examining the “always been done” versus the “Best way”. We strive to reconnect to the church of the 1st century and to the roots of Christianity. May God continue to bless you and your ministry.
Dave, the story in your hometown paper, the Chillicothe Gazette, will appear Sunday, Aug. 11. It should be on the Web as well, http://www.ChillicotheGazette.com.
On a personal note, the book is full of amazing insight and well-written.
I heard you speak on the Fish this am so couldn’t wait
to get to work to check out your website. I forwarded the address to my home so I can read the introduction and chapter one tonight. I am intrigued by what I have heard so far and can’t wait to hear “the rest of the story”!
I can’t wait to read your book. My last “church family”, including the pastor, turned their back on me when my husband filed for a divorce. When we were at court the entire church would show up to intimidate me and my mother (who would come with me to court). I had suffered from severe depression when I was married and the only thing I received from my church was gossip. I praise God that He returned my son to me and I won custody. My son is still having behavioral problems from this ordeal but he is definately improving. The Lord has led me to a wonderful new church that has supported and prayed for me through this.
I truly have learned and have grown as a Christian from reading your book. I have recommended it to my friends. It really gets you thinking about your every day lifestyle and if you are doing God’s will or your own. Thank you so much for touching my heart and affecting my way of life. Is there a Jerry Bruckheimer movie on this book coming out soon? Just kidding.
I was drawn to your website from sowing seeds ministry. God led me here because I have been going through the same things and today our church is in real trouble. After reading the intro and 1st chapter, I can’t wait to get the rest of the book. Thank you and God Bless You!
I just read your book that I borrowed from the library. It has made me realize what is really important in life- to love and to care about others. It has also made me a little upset with myself for being maybe too judgemental with some people who are hostile with Christians, and not loving them more. The Holy Spirit along with your book has made me realize what really matters in life-showing love and not hate towards Christians who have been hurt by other Christians before and for non-believers that didn’t get an accurate representation of Christ because of our (yours and mine and other Christians) hypocrisy.Thank you for making that clear to me. God bless you and your family forever and always! 🙂
Jim and Karen Kingma/Stonegate Sabbatical Ministries/Grand Rapid
My wife and I could write a book on the experiences we have encountered in the last 5 years with bad Christians. But you realize their is a lot of woundedness out there and many need the loving touch of the Saviour. But oh how hard it is to give grace and mercy when you have been so deeply hurt by those who name the name of Jesus.
Dave, my name is Larry Davies. I’m a United Methodist Minister, former car salesman and all around unusual preacher. I just wanted to tell you that I’m 3/4 of the way through your book and I’m so impressed with your down-to-earth theology that I’m considering getting your book in quantity for my staff and leaders. We try very hard to not be the church you model so successfully in your book. Thank you for giving me even more reasons to beware. I write a weekly column that does much of what you do. You can check out my own web site at http://www.sowingseedsoffaith.com and if those writings can help your ministry in any way, please let me know. Since I have my own book, “Breaking the Peanut Butter Habit: Following God’s Recipe for a Better Life” I would like to figure out a way to work out a quantity purchase a swap or even have you come to Lynchburg as a guest. I just want you to know we are interested and appreciate your writing. Thank you for boldly pointing out our flaws. God bless. Larry
Dear Mr. Burchett: My brother-in-law has recently been hit
by a Bad Christian. Happened to be the pastor of a church
he had been attending for awhile. He was learning more about God from this pastor than he ever has from anyone. And this pastor was secretly molesting many women and teenage girls in his office during counseling sessions. He
was a master manipulator. Charges were brought against him,
and he fled to another state and city….To Repent? No, to
start another church. I am sending my brother-in-law a
copy of your book. He is bitter, and his relationship with
the Lord is suffering loss right now. Thank you for writing
your book. Along with prayer, I hope your book brings
healing to him and leads him to restore his relationship
with Jesus Christ.
And after reading your book, my heart cry is, “PLEASE Lord,
DON’T make me laugh, DON’T make me cry; PLEASE Lord, CHANGE
me”. In His Love & Mine,
I just finished reading your book. It really hit home in so many ways. I know that I am going to have to reread it several times. I enjoyed the humor, but it wasn’t just the humor that kept me turning the pages. What you wrote spoke to my heart. Thanks.
I just finished the book last night and all I can say is WOW! I appreciated the humor and the direct approach that the book offered. I felt myself convicted on many counts, but I didn’t feel “preached” at (make sense?). Definitely a book I will read again soon just to take notes and create action points in my life. This book will go on my re-read shelf right next to Yancy’s “What’s So Amazing About Grace”. I will be recommending this book to my brothers and sisters in Christ.
I am seventeen years old, and after spotting the thought-provoking title of your book, “When Bad Christians Happen To Good People,” on my father’s coffee table, I decided to take a glance. I read your introduction, and immediately knew that reading the book would mean reevaluating myself, and my “Christian” walk. I layed it neatly back in it’s place, and thought nothing more of it. Now my father is away counseling at Church Camp, and I came across your book again, this time laying on the couch. So I swiped the book to “page” through and read what I was comfortable with. That was two days ago, and I am now finished with, and forever changed by your work. Everything from WJSHTOT? to “CSL” hit home with me, and made me realize (in the best possible way) how much of a “bad Christian” I have been lately. Your book was an emotional roller coaster ride for me. I laughed, I cried, I hated you, I loved you, and I became thirsty for Christ’s love and a deeper knowledge to spread His eternal blessing to others. My dad is reading the book bit by bit, with a group at his Church doing a series over it. I suggest he read it as much as he can, whenever he can, so he can start working on himself and then on others! I plan on recommending this book to everyone that will listen to me. Thank you for being so blunt, dragging me out of my “comfort bunker,” and opening my eyes, as well as the eyes of many other blind Christians. God Bless you! Fly With Christ!
I am currently working on a leader’s guide (a fairly simple version) that I plan to make available for download free of charge. It seems to me that if you buy the book you shouldn’t have to spend more money on another volume. I guess that is why I probably won’t retire from this writing business. I hope to have the guide online and ready to download soon.
I don’t know one Christian (myself CERTAINLY included) who doesn’t need to read and heed at least several of the thought-provoking observations and admonitions in your book. I had to bandage a few gored oxen when I’d finished, but I’m buying 5 lending copies at Christianbook.com. I gave the copy I’ve just finished to the president of my congregation with recommendations that it be highly recommended reading for every member of our church. I hope we’ll use it as the basis for an adult Sunday school series. Do you have any plans to write a leader’s guide (a la Colson and Pearcey’s How Now Shall We Live?)?
We have been discussing relationships in our Sunday School class and your book just follows this theme. Your first chapter has definitely caught my attention on reading more.
Good Morning! Heard you on our local 106.5 The Promise Radio station today and decided to buy your book!!! Looking forward to reading it!!
God Bless You!
I have desperately needed an “official” description of my life’s experiences with the church. Being a “devout” protestant preacher’s kid (albeit an adult kid), it’s been very difficult relating to others in a comprehensible manner. Your book helped to formulate many of my own feelings, emotions, and shortcomings. My only hope is to take the things I’ve learned & you’ve helped to put into words to do the work that the Lord has been laying on my heart to do for quite some time. Thank you for stepping out on a limb and sharing these very poignant thoughts…I only wish there was a way to get all Christians, and non-Christians, to read some of your statements, let alone the whole book (especially some deacons and board chairs I have known)!
John Wesley Dowling, New Orleans (jdowlingjr@earthlink.net)
What a GREAT book!!! I have just checked it out of our library and can’t put it down . . . . we all have these experiences I am sure and I am seemingly daily confronted with these situations (unfortunately I am afraid that I have been on the ‘giving’ end more often than I would like to admit and for sure on the ‘receiving’ end what seems to be ‘constantly’!!!
Thank you for writing this soul searching and thought provoking “real life” experience!!!
A Note from Dave for Ashlie (see below) and anyone else who is interested….Yes I am in the process of writing a second book. If you are interested in being notified please go to the home page and let me know through the e-mail link. And thanks to all of you for the kind words and encouragement.
I bought your book recently, and it’s great! You did an awesome job and your humorous lines kept me turning pages for more. You kept hitting the nail on the head with all the issues and after I was finished reading the book, it gave me a passion to witness again. Are you planning on writing another?
We just wrapped up our conversation together on the cell phone while you were at the Rangers game. I don’t know when you’ll see this, but I wanted you to know again how much I enjoyed the book. It has been a tremendous help to me spiritually and professionally.
When you do make your way to Nashville, consider the lunch appointment a done deal.
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Doug Hannah, Program Director
88.7 WAY-FM, Nashville
1012 McEwen Drive, Franklin, TN 37067
615-261-9293 x13
801-858-9731 (direct fax) doug@wayfm.com
Hi Mr. Burchett,
I just started reading your book and I think it is great and
so to the point. The funny thing is I thought I was alone with these struggles, but I guess we all feel that way.
I know it will help me with my son and his negative feelings about Christian.
Praise God for the convictions of His Truth and thank you for this book.
I just finished reading When Bad Christians Happen to Good People, I loved every word! It’s very true,honest and enjoyable reading. I look forward to your next book.
The part about Katie’s smile makes me cry everytime I read it, God really did bless you with her.
Thanks for your honesty.
Dave. I want to meet you someday. Your book is a masterpiece. It’s the first book since THE CASE FOR CHRIST (and that is saying a lot) that made me want to tell everyone I know that I read it and loved it. I can’t stop talking about it to people and have already rallied up 5 other people who are promising me to read it. What a breath of fresh air! Your sarcasm, humor, honesty and compassion bled through the pages. When you’re a guy like myself and a book brings you to tears (the part when you reveal why Katie was placed in your life) you know that it’s something special. Especially considering it’s all true! Ever since finishing this book, some of my friends’ friends have been asking, “Why is he so happy all the time?” I honestly believe that joy that I have is from Christ. But I also believe that God used you Dave, to reveal it as being possible to believe in and live out. Thank you for making my 13 year-old faith (since I was 6) come alive again. If you are ever around Taylor University in the school year, please come look me up. You made me laugh so much! And yes, I do believe that “cynicism” is a spiritual gift. (sorry if that is spelled wrong though–lol)
I originally went to the bookstore to look for another book and when I saw the title of your book it hooked me in. I ended up purchasing it instead of the other book! I have read 3/4 of the way through and am very impressed with your words that act as a healing balm and a wake up call to my heart. My husband and I left our church after 5 years of guilt ridden manipulation. We allowed ourselves to be used alright! Our son, who has a disablity, was excluded and singled out within that church. Currently we do not go to church but are attempting to have God heal our hurt inflicted upon us and the hurt we have inflicted! Thanks for a “tell it like it is in love” book, its overdue!
Mr. Burchett, Just read page 140 where you wrote you would probably hear from the faction that will sneer more than any other group. I DON’T THINK SO!!! I have truly loved your book and cannot stop saying to my friends “I love this book, you have to read it.” Your book was given to me by a friend because of some pain inflicted by a church and some self proclaiming “Good Christians.” The book is not only helping me heal but, more importantly, it is making me look inward to clean up the toxic waste in MY backyard. Thank you very much for putting into words what many of us obviously need to hear. May the LOrd bless you and yours.
Thanks, Dave, for being authentic. Such a rare find among Christian writers today.
And by the way, if you get to Heaven before I do tell Katie I look forward to meeting her.
What a innovative website – with such a memorable url.
Dave, blessings upon you! May this book continue to bless and minister countless folks who have been harmed and/or damaged by the “bad” saints among us …that would be all of us, eh?
warmly,
your publisher!
As a parent who very recently has tried to seek help for my mentally-ill daughter only to be treated with cruelty/sanctimony by a local church (which never once reached out to help us) and who accidentally received an email requesting prayer for my family (in a very gossipy tone) stating my daughter was “full of the devil”…it’s a wonder I’m still walking with the Lord. You’ve addressed things in a humorous and loving manner that have needed addressing in the church for a long time. I wish I could buy numerous copies of this book to send to both my saved and unsaved friends. (Need to send copies to the above-mentioned “Christians”, too.) Thanks for writing a great book! P.S. My husband just got saved this last week. I know it has nothing to do with the book, but I just wanted to share.:)
Your book has been a real boost to me and helped me see that there are other Christians who have similar experiences and frustrations with Christians and church. But more importantly, it has been an encouragement to address some of my own issues as well as try to pull together a number of books and their thoughts into a comprehensive worldview with the Bible as its foundation. Keep up the good work.
Dave, I want you to know how proud and honored I am that God blessed me with a son like you. I thank God and you for your book and the strong message it sends to the world. In Mark 4-22 Jesus said “If you have ears listen”.
Like many others, I appreciate the content and style of your book. I appreciate the fact that while you tell the truth, you don’t have malicious intent and do humbly encourage Christ-taught compassion. The Pharisee issues in the church are an element of the whole struggle of “churchianity” versus following Jesus’ life lead. I am grateful for the tired and saddened message you were able to convey about the more flagrant falls of other believers and/or pretenders. My non-believing friends howl when I tell the the title of the book I was reading. That is actually helpful as I then got to read them portions aloud. If I had a spare hundred bucks I would be passing these out all over town. But God knows who needs these words spoken into their soul. Thank you for being His vessel.
Hi. I have got to say that your book, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” has got to be the best book that I have ever read. Thank you so much for being real and honest.
Dear Dave,
Thank you for a truely wonderful and divinely inspired book. It has truely touched my life. I absolutely respect your openess and honesty. I will never be the same. PRAISE BE TO GOD THE FATHER AND OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!!! My prayers are with you and your family always. Thanks again. P.S I love you with the Love of JESUS brother. GOD BLESS!!
Dear Dave,
Got your book one week ago, finished and passing it on to my wife. I pastor in Siloam Springs, AR, (25 miles west of Fayetteville. Fantastic! Fresh perspective, with boldness, conviction, compassion and insight. FROM THE PEW. Laity need to hear from someone who sits with them, or from someone they “used” to sit with. Pastors need to hear from the pew also. I’ll be using your material in preaching/teaching opportunities. Our town is in “Guinness Book of Records” as having more churches per population than any others (thats not a compliment given that we don’t have any greater percentage of people in church than other “Bible-belt” communities. Sadly, church growth is coming at the expense of other congregations (more sheep stealing/gate closing behind wandering sheep than sheep feeding). I have amusingly noted that new churches resulting from a split often have the names “unity, harmony or fellowship” in their titles. We are working through some inflicted hurts at our church. Pray for all to be healed as well as be healers. Truly “being et’ by a lion may be better than being et’ by a people.” If your are ever in our area, would love to visit with you.
Mr Burchett,
I have known you nearly 20 years and I never knew that you were a Christian. But I did know that you were a devout, honest, and graceful man who cherished his wife,children, and double tall lattes.
You made me laugh (as usual), and cry, and think. The marks of a good read. I wish you the best of luck in spreading this wonderful message.
Your book is one that ALL Christians need to read. I think it will hit every one of us right between the eyes in one area or another. I just pray that we will all do something about the area that it hit us in!!!Please don’t let this be the last book that you write to us, we need more authors like you, who don’t mind telling it like it is, whether we like it or not!!!
I’m a United Methodist layman in Little Rock and have just begun studying your book as a source for an adult Sunday School Class. I can say from reading about half of the book -in one sitting – that you have framed what so many have wanted to say and you say it in a most direct way.
Congratulations. I’m sure I’ll have more response after completing the study.
I did enjoy reading your book. I gauge a good book on not wanting to put it down, I found myself not wanting to put it down until I finished it. I am not an overly religious person as you know, but I raised a child that has God in his heart and has become a Minister (go figure). You raised issues that turned me from the church many years ago, maybe one of these days I will get back, but for now I will use Todd as my direct line. I compare my beliefs to those of the drunk and the member of A.A., the drunk doesn’t have to go to meetings. I’m a believer, I just don’t go to meetings. Again, I did enjoy the book and I am now waiting for the sequel.
What a fantastic read!!! I have seen so many arguments on an online religion debate board, and a lot of the anti-Christian comments have come from people who were indeed hurt by the not-so-Christlike behaviors of Christians. I’m recommending it to all the people who post there and hope it will make a difference. Your book was wonderfully well-written and very timely. Keep writing!
Found your book in the Tattered Cover Bookstore while looking for another book (can’t even remember what THAT one was…now see what you’ve done?). Loved the title, read the back and was hooked. In one trip back east, the book title brought up conversations on each of my flights. On my Chicago to Rochester flight, the woman I spoke to was a professor at a Christian college who decided she’d buy a copy and most likely assign it to her freshman seminar class, after I read her several hilarious and thought-provoking excerpts. I think this book may reach my siblings who have all been turned off from the faith by the church or Christians who “did them wrong.” I can’t thank you enough for writing it exactly as you did. I love it!! God bless you.
Thank you so much for your book. I hope you come out with more of the same. We’ve been struggling so with a relationship and over the years have simply prayed, “God, fix what’s broken.” The other day while glancing through my recent CBD copy, I noticed your book title, and thought, “I wonder if they think of us as “bad Chrisians”, or “good people.” I just had to get the book to see. Reading it has helped us so much in seeing their side of this on-going conflict. God bless you and keep you.
Dave, thanks for your book. I look forward to reading it the second and third time also. A book that every Christian should own and take to heart. Thank you! Thank you!
Hi Dave,
Ya know, I’ve got to admit, your a pretty interesting and amazin guy! Read the 1st chapter of your book here on your website and it’s pretty interesting, even to a semi-heathen like me. Looks like I might just have to break down and buy a copy. Even if I don’t like it, (doubtful) atleast I can say that I did and shame the rest of the Bay Area guys/gals into supporting the cause! Cherish working with you my friend. It’s truly a joy! Your video brother, Rob
I enjoyed your book very much. This book makes me think about actions as a Christian. Also, I am suggesting that the leaders of our church read this book
Amen brother! Tell it like it is! We all need to re-evaluate just what we as Christians are doing with our time here and how we treat everyone while we are waiting for our Lord. Time is too short. We need to wake up and really learn what it means to “take up the cross” and then get busy doing it!
Hey Dave, We had a baby girl born with a facial abnornality ( tumors)that covered the entire right side of her face. Her eye was swollen shut and much more. You’re right that Jesus would not have rejected her. He showed us in her the blessing, the beauty, and His amazing Fatherheart.
Dave
Thank you for the note in your book and the scripture(col.3:12-17) Both have made me more aware of the needs in our daily walk with Christ. I am glad you are Brad’s friend.
Brad has always been a joy in our lives, however no child is perfect. We are very proud of Brad and his family. We believe God is active there.
After reading what others have written here – I find it hard to say something that hasn’t already been said. I guess I can say AMEN to most of the comments on how much your book has touched my mind and spirit. I have been a self proclaimed Agnostic for many years.
I have a unique definition for my kind of Agnostic. To me Christian equaled believing in Christ. Athiest equaled not belieiving in Christ. Agnostic equaled not caring enough to believe or not believe. I felt indifference to Christ. Through your book, I feel like I can heal the wounds from Christians who have helped me become indifferent. I feel like I can finally have a relationship with Him again and open my heart and spirit to His love and guidance. I have also had to look at my own actions and realize that I can’t blame others for my feelings. I have some responsibility for those feeling too. OUCH!
I am making that healing journey though, and I thank you for helping to light the pathway so I could restart my walk with Christ. I pray I will remember your words and keep my actions representative of my own words and beliefs.
Thank you again and may God richly bless you and your family.
Dave, I am not only done with part one, and I am encouraged by your faith, humility, and yet your boldness to work for the Lord. God is surely working through your writing, and I’m thankful that you are letting Him. This book is an answered prayer so far, and while I know that it is not the book, not you, but God that is giving, I am thankful for your faithfullness in serving. I’m sure that you are keeping this in mind, I only remind you as a loving brother in Christ: with all the encouragement surrounding you, don’t forget the struggle, don’t forget the glory. God bless you and guide you.
Dave –
I finished reading your book a few days ago. I work in a christian bookstore, and we had received one as a special order for a friend of mine. I told him it was in, but he couldn’t pick it up untill I had read it. I have since recommended it to a number of customers who are dealing with issues of painful encounters with Christians who are a bit too “human.” I highly recommend this book not only for the wounded (almost everybody), but also for those who are beginning to realize that they have done some wounding themselves (again, almost everybody). Your use of humor helps greatly to disarm those who react defensively, but you do not let us rest easy when we should be ashamed of ourselves. Thanks for giving us (the Christian Community) another useful tool to examine ourselves and prayerfully ponder the consequences of our sometimes thoughtless and offensive behaviors and attitudes.
(By the way – John did get his book – I sold it to him at half price.)
I just picked up a copy of your book today at lunch. I have already read the first chapter and could not believe what I read. It was if you had read my mind. I have been struggling with the same issues that you addressed in chapter one, but have been unable to verbalize the inadiquacy that I have feeling in my Christian life. I can’t wait to get home tonight and read some more. Thank you for writing this book.
I really enjoyed your website and the first chapter of your book. You have hit the nail on the head about a lot of churches and the way “Good Christians” think. I’ve also seen how 1 bad apple can slowly spoil the rest.
I’m having to fight my husband for your book since you gave it to us. I’ve shared it with the gal I teach with, who was the leader in the church split that about kill my hubby and me 3 years ago. Your visit was so very timely – my only suggestion to you is to move to Pagosa, so we can give you more research material. It was wonderful catching up on old times – We pray God will allow our paths to cross many more times in the near future. Be assured of our prayers.
My spouse picked up your book at Borders because it was on teh tables near the door. I started to read it planning to be very annoyed with this person I was certain was going to point out that Christains are hypocrites who don’t care about anyone else and that you would not so subtly suggest that we just get along with others. So waiting to start ranting at this “there are many ways why are you people so special” author I began reading your book. That was last evening. Within the first two pages i realized 1) I probaly was going to agree with you and 2) that you are really going to make alot of other people furious. My spouse made me put your book down so we could go to the theater. This morning he suggested you wouldn’t want me to skip Sunday school or church to finish the book. As soon as we returned from lunch( we’re Baptist — church really doesn’t end until you’ve had lunch with another family or five)I was fianlly able to make them all leave me alone and finish the book. THANK YOU. I am ordering copies for several friends Christian and non believers alike. Your humor, honesty and straight forward approach really put into words the importance of acting on our beliefs.
I came across your book in the library yesterday and started reading it this morning. Since the dozens of little yellow sticky notes are becoming a nuisance – (it’s not my book so I can’t highlight or mark the gems on the pages) – I will be going online to buy it. I will also be buying as many copies of this little treasure as I can afford and then parceling them out to friends, who I know will devour it as I have. Christmas gifts will be pretty well covered this year, too. And I will tell my remaining acquaintances to run, not walk, to the bookstore and buy their own copy. Thank you for taking on the challenge – and for staying hungry to speak the truth.
In the name of God, the most compassionate, the most merciful.
Dave,
I really enjoyed reading your book. It might suprise you to learn that I am a practicing Muslim, but I listen to Chrisitan radio to get ideas for our own communities. You face the same problems that we do, and in fact, Muslims and Christians have more in common than they have differnces. (E.g. we both Believe in the Virgin Mary, and we both acknowledge Jesus as sent by God to deliver a message)
One of the points that you made in your book was that people have taken verses out of context in the Bible to suit their own purposes and justify their own actions, and we face the same problem in the Muslim community.
You also stated that we as humans quickly condemn those who dont share our ideas, thoughts and beliefs, and we make an effort to force our ideas and beliefs on others without understanding their ideas and beliefs. This problem exists at large in all communities, be they Christian, or be they Muslim, or be they any other community.
People dont look at the bigger picture.
Thank you.
Ali from New Jersey
United Muslims Organization
I finally found someone who knows what I go through each day. I work in a Christian Bookstore and only you would understand the behavior I see from customers (brothers and sisters in Christ). Just a month before your book came out my husband and I were talking about behavior of customers in the Christian marketplace. I could tell so many hair raising stories (material for a sequel!), but I’ll spare you the details. Anyway, I told him I would love to write a book and give it to every customer. He said if I was going to tell about other Christians poor behavior than I would have to start with myself. (Ouch!) And then came your book…thank you 10 times over. I did a book report on your book that goes into a customer resource at our store. I have recommended your book to many people; i wont give up my copy! Again THANK YOU!
🙂 Okay, so … ‘just found your website. ‘Haven’t “surfed” through it, as yet. O, but I will. Just wanted to thank you for your love of Christ, and your committment to the cause … but especially for your understanding of “grace”. 🙂 My thanks to your wife, as well. Surely she must be your second best source of encouragement. (Christ being first, of course.)
Surely you have given me far more credit than I deserve. Simply remember me (our radio conversation) fondly; and I shall forever keep you and yours in my prayers.
Thank you, Dave. God be with you, and yours, always.
I am almost finished with your book and loving every minute of it. I have laughed and cringed simultaneously through most of it. Thanks for being real.
mr. dave,
i am passing along to others to read your book when bad christians happen to good people.i found it very true in many churches no matter what denomination.i attended a promise keepers meeting and one of the speakers there tony evans i beleive said that the largest group of biggots were
the church goers.the walls of some churches need to be torn down.they feel comfortable with their own kind and own kind only.if you are not like them to the letter they will not have anything to do with you.your book addressed what had to be addressed.keep up the good work.
mike
This book brings me to tears. My wife has been so, so hurt by “bad christians” that she is now a devout atheist. The “christian” community has become the reason for so much pain, intolerance, selfishness, greed, moral decay, hatred, and bigotry in the world today. Christianity has become the “Darth Vader”, the “dark side” of society. I am part of the problem. It’s my outer man I fight to allow my inner man to live. Thanks for the spiritual help to become the man Christ intended me to be.
Dave: While I was looking at books at the church bookstore, your book jumped out of a display holder and onto the floor in front of another man looking at books (no one had touched it). I felt nudged that it might be the book I needed to read, and asked what the title was. I laughed with joy. Thanks for sharing! It helped heal those bits of bitterness hiding in the corners of my heart, and helped me to get up the courage to get back to church. Thanks!
Dave: This is fan mail from your author buddy Bruce Dreisbach. I’m reading your book as was bowled over by your insights on p.130ff. The whole notion of Christians’ self- sabatoge being like blacks… Never heard it before and its a powerful insight. Thanks!
ps About your website… your wife is a lot better looking than you. So is your dog. Good idea to add them to the site.
Dave, it was great to talk with you yesterday, Amy stills smiles remembering back to the old days, hard to believe that was 17 years ago. Good luck with the book and our Texas Rangers, yes I am still a fan. My son Cole just doesn’t understand how I can like teams like the Cowboys, Rangers and the Warriors.. there’s a lot of suffering in our house at times. Hope we can catch up in person sometime, say hi to Joni.
Hi Dave,
Thanks for your book When Bad Christians Happen to Good People. I just finished it and must say I was entertained, challenged and moved by it. Perhaps there were one or two places where I’d raise an eyebrow (e.g., on WWJD).I’m a pastor who will probably be using some of the excellent quotes and illustrations you gave.
A couple of comments. On p 225 you mention William Wilberforce. He was not a bishop, but a layman.As you say, he was an MP. His third son, Samuel, became Bishop of Oxford in the Church of England. Also, he did not grow up under the ministry of John Newton, but was his friend.
I also hope you’ll let me brag a little as a Canadian. James Naismith, inventor of basketball, was born in Canada and graduated from Presbyterian College, Montreal(my alma mater)!
Now back to my usual heavier reading of Calvin, Augustine and Peter Lombard (just kidding!). Thanks again for saying some things that needed to be said.
In Christ,
John Vaudry
Dave,
I am in the misses of writing a devotional for our ladies retreat. See we want to say in the most loving way, what you say in the must humous way. We need to examine the inside of the cup not the only the out side. I told My pastor about this book, I am a very busy women, but every second of free time I get I read your book I want to finish, so I can pass it on to him, (maybe I’ll tell him to buy his own).I hope you don’t mind if I use some of your own qoutes (I’ll give you the credit that way they cann’t blame me)they just hit home. They prick and heal at the same time.
Hello!
I heard to you talk on the Tim Kimmel Live show and you did an outstanding job. Thank you for writing on this subject, and I look forward to reading your book. May God richly bless you.
My name is Ray Flowers from Dallas. I read the book last weekend. I then had Dave on my talk radio program two days later. WOW! The reception from listeners was terrific! We had more callers than we could handle. Dave is onto something here…..it’s called “Clean up thine own house”.
You are touching people, Dave. Thanks and keep up the good work.
I stumbled accross your book at a christian book store here in Milwaukee. I skimmed a couple of chapters and realizied this guy is on to something. That was Saturday, today is Monday and I just finished the book. I loved it. When I got to chapter 8, I could’nt stop laughing. It really struck a nerve.:) God Bless You and keep up the good work.
I bought the book while on a trip out of town last week and couldn’t put it down. I finished the last three chapters on the plane on the way home, and got some interesting looks and comments from a couple of people sitting nearby. Perhaps they got hold of a copy.
It was great, aside from your obvious bias about George W. Bush which, after reading the book, I am graciously willing to forgive (ha ha ha!, just kidding; see, I did learn something from it!). Seriously, I don’t think I have read anything as thought provoking and action provoking in a long long time. Thank you.
When I saw the title I knew it had to be an interesting book. Reading the first paragraph of the first chapter, I said to myself this man knows me. I will recomend this book has much as I can. God Bless you Mr. Burchett and keep em coming.
Congratulations to you Dave! I fully intend on getting the real book soon and look forward to being challenged. That .com thing you added all by yourself. , great idea. I’d get a patent on it if I were you.
Dave: Read the intro and first chapter and I’m chomping at the bit to get the entire book ASAP. If you’ve seen those commercials for Golden Corral restaurants where the skillet to the back of the head brings home the obvious facts, just these snippets from your book have been the skillet to the back of my spiritual noggin. There are a lot of cracks in my spiritual foundation and your book is helping fix things and make things much stronger than before. You’ve been an inspiration to me all these years on the JP games in Arkansas and in the NBA and I look forward to seeing you soon. My prayers and thoughts are with you and your family, as always.
Hi there, Dave! Great site… I will definitely pass it on to friends and family! It was great to see you again, while you were visiting WaterBrook… Happy 2002 to you and your family!
Dave, Sue Bohlin passed the good word along about your book. Please give my greetings to your wife and kids….although, like ours they will say, “WHOOOO?” We are involved in work and ministry in the Kansas City area…what are you up to these days?
Alice Bourdon
I read the first chapter. It was like having a 44 mag. pointed at my forehead and wondering when this thing was going to go off. It did half way through the first chapter. I saw myself exposed and ashamed. Dave it’s very convicting and unsettling to find yourself in the crosshairs of truth. Thanks for stepping up to the plate and saying what we “christians” need to hear.
Dave,
I love your first chapter. Any Christian who can read the first chapter and not recognize at least something in him or herself had better take off the “blinders” quickly before he runs into something and hurts himself.
I, too, proudly call myself a friend of Sue Bolin and will purchase your book.
Congratulations, Dave! At Sue’s recommendation, I joined the group of those who have read the intro and first chapter of your book and am going to purchase the book today to read the rest. All the best to you and Joni!
Dave, I’m Roger Crawford’s sister. He told me he is sending us a copy of the book–I’m looking forward to it. If he recommends it, I know it will be good.
There is a can of Dr. Pepper waiting for you at Carlos O’Kelly’s. The church is a community or it’s nothing at all. Thanks for blessing us with the book.
Dave, I just read the intro and first chapter. I can’t wait to read the rest. Sometimes seeing ourselves or those like us in print can be quite uncomfortable, but necessary. I look forward to being awakened and inspired. See you back on the Big 12 tour in January!
Just finished the intro and will buy this book at first opportunity. As far as I’m concerned, your lack of seminary degree is your best qualification. The God I see in the Bible uses the regular guys of this world, not the “experts” who often become too wise in their own eyes. Good work!
Congratulations. I look forward to reading the book and sharing it with others.
I missed you during football season but I was a good audience and you guys did a heck of a job.
Have a great Christmas and New Year. Oh yeah, and get some rest so you can deal with Scooter on Jan. 5th.
Hi, Dave. I just finished the introduction and I will be buying the book today. I’m not good with expression, but, it just seems that you’ve always brought a “peace” to the directors chair that permeates the entire crew. Now, if we could just see you more often on JP2, or make that the JP “A” unit!
Good luck Dave it’s great when someone follows through. If you do go fishing with Wayne I know T-BONE and I could shoot it and sell it(Funniest home videos or most amazing police chases). Take Care.
Congratulations Dave, I’m looking forward to reading it. I missed working with you during football season. I’m sure you kept everyone amused and caffeinated. Hope you and the family have a good holiday.
I’m still waiting to take you trout fishing in the Ga. Mtns.
When I hear that you are directing a game that I am working,
I know that it will be a joy.
Wayne Barry
Dave…Although I don’t know you, I do know you are a ray of light to the people who work in your field. I can wait to read this book! Thanks for this ministry….
Congratulations, Dave, on your publication. I look forward to reading it and hopefully will be able to see you some time down the road. It was always a pleasure working with you.
The first chapter was interesting and thought provoking. I can’t wait to get the book and see how you address the other parts of christianity and churchs. Many of your thoughts are similar to my own, although not as well expressed as yours. I see my life and christianity, or lack of, reflected in your writing.
Play ball, drop the puck, fall off a log, break a leg, and race car spelled backwards is “Race Car”. yeah I left a few out.
The book is excellent and the gentleman that wrote it is the best brother any sister could ever have. I LOVE YOU AND I AM SO PROUD OF YOU. May God Richly Bless you and I pray the book will open the eyes of our lukewarm churches across the country.
Leandra
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Thank you!
annie
What a gem you are! God led me to your blogs on Christianity .com, and I am so blessed to have read your latest blogs and many in your archives. You have written so convincingly and personally about battles with legalism and self effort, and boy, do these things hit home. You have convinced me that complete surrender to God is key, and that acknowledgement and trust in his grace alone, for peace and for salvation is the only way–but that sometimes grace is so elusive cuz we keep trying to grasp it our way. I’m not saying this very well. As I mature in my faith, I want to aspire to the constant awareness of my need for him for EVERYTHING in my life, and that I can add nothing to my salvation or earn it in any way. What hasn’t fully registered yet deep down is that I am loved completely, cuz the feeling that I need to earn things is not easily shed. This too will come, I pray. Reading your work helps me to see these things more clearly, and for that I thank you.
You really ought to rename your website.
Thanks-Annie
collegestudent
your blog has brought me some measure of… peace? hope? some kind of positive emotion amongst the intense turmoil i have found myself in lately.
I’ve known may ex-Christians. most of their reasons for not attending church, though most still believe in God, consisted of basically “bad Christians”. (I know sounds confusing? I can’t reveal more).
I regret attending a…. religious… college. I’ve never been around more lying, cheating, hypocrites in my life. and for the most part that doesn’t bother me. we are all human. we make mistakes. but the back-stabbing, holier-than-thou attitudes, and lack of mercy and Christianity love for one another is the final straw. I am disgusted with my fellow believers. but i fear punishment for calling anyone out on it.
I am hated. for things and reasons i do not know. all i have shown others is love, and in return i have received hate.
all i can do is run to God. and try to ignore people who have nothing better to do than to tear others apart.
christians is a term used to describe saved/born again believers. not people who claim to be christian becuase they went to church every easter sunday until they were 12.
Scott Dailey
Just a wee bit of Mission Impossible Trivia. Did you know that Peter Graves and James Arness of Gunsmoke fame were brothers? Huh, Huh, Didya, Didya?
Skeptical Believer
Dave, you have a terrific writing voice, and I’m so glad I was sent a link to your blog by a family member!
I’ve started reading When Bad Christians Happen to Good People, and it is simply AWESOME. I can’t wait to finish it, and I’ll be posting a glowing review of it on my own blog, The Skeptical Believer. Keep up the fantastic work!
Blessings,
–SB
http://skbeliever.blogspot.com
Fire-Starter James
Hi! My name is James, and I’m a sinner!
Got any coffee?
William McCoy
RE: Is God mad at Haiti?
This is not the first time that Pat Robertson suffered from an incorrect impression of his own importance. He said similar things about Katrina smashing New Orleans. I would refer him (or anyone) to Luke 13:1-5, in which Jesus suggests that people who suffer misfortune are not singled out for punishment, as much as it is indicative that all of humanity is under condemnation without a relationship to God–“…But unless you repent, you too will all perish.” (Luke 13:5b, NIV). It is unfortunate that Mr. Robertson feels it obligatory to comment at all, and should spend more time studying Scripture so he could remember its commands–“Judge not, that you be not judged, for the judgement you give will be the judgement you get.”
Omar
The title of your book caught my attention. I will have to check them out….
jamie osario
if anyone knows anyone that can help out a needy family please let me know signed,very desperate my email is hottytotty8594@live.com thank you so very very much i have been searching for a week or so looking for this help if there is any left out there please contact my email
Scott Dailey
Underers Unite! A pox upon the house of the Overers!
Mark Torterotot
Just found your website. I’m bookmarking it. Thanks.
Dale Porter
Brother Burkchett,
I just happened upon your article, “What you hate” and you are so right on point. I appreciate your “guts” to say it like it is about legalism, fakeness, and accepting God’s grace as a gift. Thank you for just being who God made you to be. Sister Dale
Mustafa
I am a Muslim, and I like your message
Issa ( Jesus ) is one of the Greatest Homo sapiens , same as Mohammad, check that dude, it is so complementing, check Buddha too, it is so enlightening ; we end up with two categories
The good or the bad; no religion or faith required in either
I Know folks of faith that are bad and vice a versa
Lauren Grace
Oddly enough I googled the lyrics to the song by Casting Crows and was very pleased when I came across your web-site – not to mention that I was very captivated by the title of one of your books. I have bookmarked your web-site and will be back shortly to read more about it.
Scott Dailey
I always thought that the early church members just swished the wine around in their mouths and then spat it out.
David Burchett
Came across your web site after I googled my own name. Very interesting. Perhaps a new book or two to read. Always wondered who that guy was with the same name when the credits rolled after a ACC basketball game. Good work over the years.
Paul
I heard you in an interview over the weekend on WGTS in the DC area. I had to get your book. Just ordered it Saturday and can’t wait to read it. I have been preaching on these things for several years now and it seems to fall on deaf ears. I pray the Holy Spirit prepares the hearts of Christians to hear your message and respond in Love to the world. “It’s All About Relationship!!! Spreading Christ’s Love One Person at a Time Through; Fellowship, Friendship, & Discipleship.”
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Sean
Well, there was tears in my eyes as a fan after the Tennessee game. The network has been a part of my life from the days of dreaming about being a LSU Tiger to being a Vol to today. Thanks for everything! We will miss you!
By the way, can you post that last clip at the end of the broadcast. It looked like it got cut off w/ David Cook’s video.
Thanks all!
Janie
Dave,
What a wonderful story relating sports to Christianity!! “In The Big Inning” was so powerful for me! I do chose to finish the “race” strong and full of faith and growing in His peace and faithfulness. I am learning to faithfully rise above the circumstances and the emotions of them as God continues to show favor with me to purge me and refine me. I am blessed to be a willing vessel for Him; to use for Him to receive the glory. Success is keeping my eyes on Jesus throughout my life here on this side of heaven. Thank you, Dave for sharing!!
Janie
Harvey C Kimmey
This is the best website for perhaps underestand yourself and the way others re-act to one another.
Scooter
Pop Tarts come packaged in two’s because most toasters have two slots. Next difficult question please.
Gronk
Blog Fix ! Grog make Happy Face!
Scott Dailey
Gronk not make happy face! WHERE BLOG!
Gronk
Fire warm, Fire cook, Fire Goooood!!!
Fire Hot , OOO! OOO! OOO! Fire Buuuurn!
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Cheryl
Dear Dave,
Thank you for your ministry. There is not a lot of help for victims of spiritual psychological abuse. You are an important part of my life even though we don’t know one another. I don’t ever talk about what happened to me and my family in our own church and at the hands of our own pastor so your books and website have been important in my healing.
I hope you and your Joni and your children have a wonderful holiday.
Sincerely,
Cheryl
Brian
Sometimes I’m just cranky. This is one of those times. The search phrase I typed in my browser was “how can I stop hating Christians?” – and what came up was the title of your book, “When Bad Christians Happen To Good People.”
I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry.
Let me just put it out there. I was raised by born-again Christians and until about age 24 or so considered myself one as well. My faith was my identity, inspired my personal and career choices, sustained me, was my universe and taught me my place in it.
Until I came out, that is. Suddenly all the close friends and supportive community – including my own parents – decided that the best way to “tough love” me back to heterosexuality and Jesus (because obviously if I REALLY believed and had faith I wouldn’t be turned on by men) was to have nothing to do with me whatsoever.
That was 25 years ago – and I still have days when I can’t drive past a church without screaming. It doesn’t help that this past November four more states passed laws outlawing my ability to legally provide for MY family (apparently the love I have isn’t holy enough) – a reflection of religiously driven persecution of LGBT families.
I am angry that I wasted so many years trying to get past the self-loathing I was so thoroughly taught to have by my church. I am angry that I was never allowed to see, hear, or believe that as a gay man I could have both a love life and a loving life, that I could be happy, well-adjusted and self-actualized to the same degree as any of my hetero peers. I am angry at the shame I was so thoroughly taught to have of my body, my gender, and my love. I am angry about the thousands of dollars I’ve had to spend in therapy learning how to stop hating myself. I’m angry about the fear I carried around with me for years about being perceived as gay, just in case I might lose my job, home, physical safety.
I’m angry about the full-page ads Focus on the Family ran in the local newspaper just before Massachusetts legalized marriage for MY family. Nazi Germany could not have been more subtle and eloquent in its demonizing of the Jews than FoF was of us. I was stunned that our paper ran the ad. Yes, freedom of speech and religion, but I HIGHLY doubt that the same ad would have run had its target been African American citizens. Can you imagine reading at breakfast a full-page ad declaring how a particular religious group with a known anti-YOU bias believes you to be: incapable of forming long-term relationships (we’ve been together 22 years in SPITE of all the bs Christians have thrown at us), unstable, unfit to parent …
…it was truly breathtaking.
I don’t want to believe in God, I haven’t in years. One more testimony from another believer isn’t going to be the magic one that brings me “back into the fold.” Christianity as practiced in this country has more or less convinced me that there really ISN’T a God at all. The Gospel message (as I hear it in this culture) ultimately boils down to an ultimatum. It is not “God loves you” – it is “you will go to hell unless you believe God loves you.”
I am angry at the arrogance of the message, the bullying inherent in it, the insistence of a vocal conservative Christian crowd that all their beliefs ought to be incorporated into state constitutions…
…because apparently their belief that we LGBT will spend an eternity in hell doesn’t start the punishment soon enough.
I have a HUGE chip on my shoulder. I wish I knew what to do about it.
Kimon Nicolaides
Dear Brian,
God loves you just the way you are. He loves all of us just the way we are. He loves us so much that he wants us to be come more than what or who we are. That is why he continues to support and sustain our lives in this awesome world he built for us with all of his wonderful grace. But he wants so much more for us. He wants to give you and all of his children eternal, immortal, indestructible and glorious physical and spiritual minds and bodies.
There is, however, only one path to glory as Jesus clearly showed to us and invited us to follow him in. It does not matter who you are or what you think or what you’ve done. That path is through suffering. Very few, however, as he also told us (Matt 7) will ever find that path no matter what they may think, do, or say, simply because when it comes right down to it they refuse to trust Him.
By the way the Bible does not teach, as you apparently have been led to believe that the lost will suffer eternal conscious torment in some place designated as hell. It merely teaches that those who reject Christ do not inherently possess immortality. In other words they will simply perish eventually. They will suffer extinction of being after having enjoyed God’s grace lavished freely upon them for however may years of mortal existence they may have been denying his offer of life to them. Check it out Gen 3:4; John 3:16; Psalm 51; etc.
The point is that Jesus loves you enough to forgive you, but you have to trust him enough to let him give you the power to repent. You have to be willing to rest in the complete sufficiency of his overwhelmingly extravagant love for you. You have to literally be willing to die to yourself (Like 14:27 etc). That takes guts. Why don’t you try asking him for that as well? After all we are destined for so much more than what this world could ever offer. How could we ever be content with so little?
Be Blessed
Kimon
Rose Bickett
I belive God provides what we need as we need it, and I believe he prompted a long time friend to send me the link to your web-site. I received comfirmation about some of the things I am praying about for my loved ones, and revelation about what is happening within my walk with my Saviour. Thank you for being real, for being open about your walk with Jesus, and I am thankful you are one of my brothers in Christ Jesus Our Lord and Saviour.
Katrina
I read your article in streaming faith and a bit of your blog. I love the titles of your books and have a heart to reach out to others but have been extreeeeeeemly reluctant because bad christinas have happend to good people saved or not =0). so I shall see if I can purchase them here in Australia- and wish you a very Merry Birthday of the Lord Jesus Christ ( suggested alteranative for Christmas- see who doesn’t like the 1st choice if that’s your options HAH !!!)
God bless !!!
Pastor Ray Anderson
Good job on your book “When Bad Christians…..” About time that someone tells it like it is. I will recommend this book to all. Again good job.
Dr. Ray Anderson, Pastor
Tim
Dave, your article posted on Crosswalk called “Living the Abundant Marriage” was one of the most profound pieces I have ever read. It struck to the heart of my marriage. I especially was drawn to your rule which says that God’s character always wins out when we compare it to our circumstances.
Anne
I loved your article “Living the Abundant Marriage”. -and I cried because as a couple we could relate to this so much. My husband read it and he liked it but his response was: How? Communication in this area seems blocked for us though we have tried hard to communicate, it appears. What would the answer be…
Sheila
I found your website last week, read the article and ordered the books mentioned in the article, “TrueFaced” and “Bring ‘Em Back Alive.” I’m in process of reading them now; What a Godsend for me! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! God bless.
Blair
I came across your answer of how you, as a Christian, try not to become too cynical when I googled “How to keep from becoming cynical today”. Honestly, I’m not a huge Christian, and I’ve never heard of you, but your writing is the best and funniest I’ve come across in a long time. I will be keeping my eye out for your books. You SHOULD be a best-selling author.
I lost interest in Christianity, because I got tired of being surrounded by “holier than thou” people who didn’t have a clue, and who kept shoving their brand of Christianity down my thoat. You’ve made it interesting, again. Thank you.
e.b.
I really enjoy your blog and look forward to reading your books.
Scott
Don’t apologize for the tux. It’s that seventies hairdo that hurts. The mustache still looks great. I’ll reserve smokin’ hot for your literary usage, but I can see why you married Joni. Still can.
Scott
Scott Dailey
Hi Dave,
I was held over in Corpus Christi this Memorial Day. Being there gave me the opportunity to tour the Carrier Lexington. There are several displays on board that tell of the sacrifice of men and women throughout 40 years of this ship’s service. I could not think of a better way to spend my Memorial Day, and I am thankful to those who have made it possible for me to be free!
Many Thanks to all who have sacrificed for me.
Scott
roy
Hi Dave and Joni,
Just came across your blog. Me christian from traditional church background, different ethnic and cultural background from you. But your attitude to the Lord resonates in me. pray for me to be steadfast in that knowledge. because, i am not. unworthy for his grace and childish in playing around with it. Keep me in your prayers so that i may grow up like you, not in his Garden but in his backyard.
Stephanie Denton
Thank you
Chuck Roberts
Just came across your blog through the Christianity Today Blog Review, and I look forward to reading it.
Scott Dailey
Hi Random Muser,
As a fellow dog lover, Ifeel compelled to write of my misgivings about Hannah’s support of Baylor. The Wonder Dog does not ,in my humble opinion, appear pleased to be wearing a hat of any sort. She merely appears that she is only tolerating your warped sense of humor. Looking forward to seeing the Wonder Dog at the annual BBQ this year.
Scott
Pastor Tim
I came across your book while browsing the shelves and the titled sucked me right in! I bought it and I was very impressed. Finally a balanced, fair and reasonable approach to a big problem in the church. What great insights and I hope to use the book in my church to read adn to study. Maybe we can stop creating so many bad Christians. The only trouble I had was with Chapter 12. You spent a lot of time bashing Democrats and in that something was lost. I appreciated your insights, but you moved away from the grace and compassion that really drew me in.
Thanks for a great book and I’ll pray God will use this tool to change the church!
Scott Dailey
Reader # 9on your tens of readers list appreciates the recent wave of bloggings.
John Wandsnider
Hello Dave,
I saw your article about Dan Fogelberg on Crosswalk.com. I too was impacted by his music and will miss him. Thanks.
It was my introduction to you and your books. The titles are Intriguing. Unfortunately, I am illiterate. Well not quite, but close. But I’ll be looking for them on CD. (I do my best reading while driving). Thanks, again.
John
Scott Dailey
Hi Dave and Joni,
can’t tell you how blessed I felel to call you my friend. I am encouraged to love my wife and children more, simply from your example. Thanks for being a Godly man and thank Joni for me too. She is an inspiring lady!
Scott
Scott Dailey
Howdy Bad Christian,
Loved the photos of Hannah the Wonderdog. Also, this is a bit late, but doesn’t Robert know that there are only two kinds of music? Country AND Western!
Scott
Le Roy Chandler
I just found your name on the Journal of Biblical Accuracy website. Tassos had said he read your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” and I am planning to read it as soon as I get a copy located. I plan to peruse your website more in the future as it appears very inviting.
Joe Crouch
I enjoyed browsing your blog. I’m a Christian musician and I just wrote what I consider to be an important song for our troops – it centers around the verse:
Psalm 91:7
A thousand may fall at your side, And ten thousand at your right hand; But it shall not come near you.
I was hoping that you could use your influence to help publicize the song which I am offering free of charge – I just want the soldiers to understand and grab hold of that verse by faith.
The song is available at http://songramp.com/JoeC
or at http://www.myspace.com/joecrouch
Thanks
Joe
Thomas St. Clair
Thank You for the tears of truth, I’m a music addict, and this was an intriguing visit, one I will repeat. I appreciate your candour and find it great the way you intermix a laugh appropriately.
Thank You…..Sincerely!
God Bless,
Tom S
lilprincess2010
I think that confessions of a bad christian is awesome. I wish u’d update a little more/faster. But overall I really enjoy it. I might even buy the book.(one day)!
Jackqueline Lou
Hey stumbled on you through Google. Great site! Can’t go through it thoroughly at the moment since I am at work, but will come back to read it when I get home! God bless!
Scott
Now I know where the sand in my shorts came from.
Scott
Smokey John sounds like the kind of guy I would like to become. No fanfair. No”look at me’s”. Just faithfulawith what the Lord has blessed him with.
Scott
Norma Duhon
I purchased “When Bad Christians…” because I am at the point in my life when I have become convicted of being the bad Christian through my selective acceptance of people around me. My justifications for snubbing people range from “They snubbed me first” to “I cannot condone their behavior by being nice to them”. I felt exhausted judging people for so long, as well as passing “sentence” on them whenever I came in contact with them.
I was also touched by your clarification of forgiveness. The first Godly experience I had with forgiveness was unforgettable. I was so hurt by marital infidelity, trying to pray through it, when I prayed The Lord’s Prayer one evening. When I got to the part about forgiving others as He forgives me, I felt a warmth like warm water pouring over me. I “heard” Him tell me/understood in my heart that what my spouse had done/deserved was to be between him and God. I was able to completely let it go. Soon after, I read an article that explained forgiveness was surrendering the right to retaliate for a wrong done to me. For many years, I was able to walk the talk. Infidelity “returned” and for many more years I simmered in anger, self-righteousness, and all the other “herbs and spices” that go with them. I have truly been afraid that I would never choose to crawl back into my Father’s lap and experience the love, joy, and peace that steadfastly remains through daily experiences “good and bad”.
I look forward to reading your books and column to reinforce my commitment to my Christian walk. I know I’ll stumble at times, but I am looking upward!
Don Harp
Thoroughly appreciated your WBCHTGP and am purchasing several copies as gifts. When is your next book coming out? Will you be speaking this year anywhere in South Florida?
Walter Keener
I am trying to get as many Christians to read “When Bad Christians…” as possible. I have become disenchanted with church and told the church how I felt. Not that they have not heard it before or felt that way themselves, but I am the pastor!
Thanks so much for the book and being willing (or stupid enough) to take the arrows.
Also, this blog is great! It seems there is a huge army of us Bad Christians out there that need this virtual community.
Paul Umbstead
Just finished your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good Christians” Very thought provoking. It has happened to me & my wife as well as others in my family. But you can’t quit now you have to go on. God strengthens us to persevere and go on to the next task and trial. Keep up the good work and may God Bless you and yours. I’m currently trying to get Good Christians to step out and serve also to get into discipleship training, it is difficult even to get the leadership to move. Pray for us as we pray for you.
Ruth Baker
Hi Dave
I know that we all have a story to tell. Actually, I did not know that I had a story at all before 1999 and did not realize how different my story really is until just the last few weeks. I am 47 years old and have been a Christian for only the past 7 years. That information in it self my not seem so different, however, after reading your book When Bad Christians Happen to Good People, I have a pretty good idea what might have happened to me for the first 40 years of my life. Great book!! I am sorry to say that I have been on the recieving end of the result of Christians not showing the love of Christ in their walk. I think this book should be a text book requirement for all new Christians.
Scott Dailey
How about Dave the Verbose
Scott Dailey
Hi Dave,
I like the new layout of the site.
Much easier to read.
Scott
Diana Wallace
I just read chapter one of, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”, and I love it that Mr. Burchett is telling the TRUTH. I’ve been in church since my name was placed on the Cradle Roll of a little Missionary Baptist Church, and I have had many painful experiences with “church people”. My husband, four sons, and I have felt so defeated by unkindness from our “brothers and sisters” that we all walked away from church for awhile. We just slept in on Sundays. Then, of course, God drew us “back to the fold”. He led us to an incredible church in the city where we live, called Journey Church. From the very first Sunday we felt love and acceptance. My husband and I are now “Greeters” and I promise you …. EVERY sort of human being walks in the doors of “Journey” and we welcome them ALL. They are wearing everything from designer labels to Goodwill finds. Some folks are completely shaved and some are hairy, We have lots of regulars who are pierced and tatooed (two of my sons are among them). Our young pastor, Clark, has a motto for us, “Honor God, build healthy relationships and have a blast!” As far as this formerly-wounded-and-now-healing Christian is concerned, it’s working!
ashley burns
hey dave,
I am starting to read your book. It is awesome!!!
DJ CALL
Regarding the secret: It is an old error with a new face. A mixture of metaphysics with Rosicrucianism and cosmic consciousness and a little of “you are god” syndrome. Metaphysicists are using the Quantum Theory of enery and converting it to what they call the “Law of Attraction.” Like begets like. Birds of a feather flock together kind of thing. Unfortunately, there was no research of God’s Word when “the secret” was supposedly researched. Many of the principles that are perpetuated in their cause are in the Word; their source is the cosmic universe, but the real facts are that Jesus is our source and not the universe (world and the devil). Forgiveness, believing and receiving are all in God’s Word….Jesus is the only answer to any of the problems/situations that exist….not their universal law of attraction.
Mike Messerli
Dave,
Loved your book, “When bad Christians…”. Thanks. I’m an associate pastor in the Flower Mound area, do you ever speak at churches? (Silly question, huh?)
If not, how about lunch, I’ll buy.
Mike Messerli
Lead Pastor
Crossroads Bible Church
Flower Mound, Tx.
mike@crossroadsbible.org
972-355-3343
Don Haas
Hey DAve,I’ve been watching from afar-just read your posting
Pssst……I’ve got a Secret too
Your take on “the abundant life”was what I needed to see.Grace really
does cover it all.
Erica Senecal
I just found your website tonight. It’s already a blessing! Thanks for your encouraging words!
Scott Dailey
Spiritual Hall Monitor Here,
I need to see your pass young man, er… Distinguished mustachioed gentleman.
Don Jamsa
I’ve had your site bookmarked and I’ve read all your blogs for a few months, now. I just want to take time to thank you for what you do. I really appreciate your openness and willingness to risk offending or upsetting some of us “hall monitors” at times.
After all is said and done, I’m just a sinner saved by grace.
Elise
Dear Dave, i came acrosss your blog through several links. i know now that God lead me to you. My husband of 25 yrs left me last year. i have been a Christian since 87 and he since 98. ours had always been a turbulent marriage, both of us coming from abusive, dysfunctional homes. we struggled with a lot of things even as a christian couple, but sadly, we got very little help from church. it was always about appearances and we bemoan the reality that a lot of church leaders are more concerned about church reputation and evangelistic prjects and building programs, but rarely take the time to get in the mud with the wounded and hurting. they label people like us as “EGR: Extra Grace Required” as if it was a sin to need the grace of God. i do not mean to put all the blame on them because if there’s one thing i learned it’s that i am solely responsible for my response and choices, and many times i chose to respond to our problems by protecting myself. I deadened my longings for relief which eventually lead to a hardened heart. The loss of trust and intimacy in our marriage merely reflected my loss of trust and intimacy with the Lord. i have almost lost faith in christians, too and i thank God that there are still remnants of AUTHENTIC Christianity left. How i wish my husband had known you. -elise
Jason Gochenour
-Dave,
Keep on delivering the good word! I have been inspired by your postings because of their reliance on Christ and their usefulness to my life. Life is not always easy, still God is always great! May Christ continue to bless you!!!
Jason Gochenour
Mark McCune
Love the Title, love the premise, Love the savior Jesus! Love others!
Billy Ray Smith
Dave, thank you for having the courage and yieldng to his spirit in posting your “ramblings.” I found your site while searching for reviews of “Facing the Giants.” I found a great reminder of the forgivness I need to continue to give. I’ve been going through a divorce I do/did not want over the past year. I returned from a military deployment to the middle east just before Christmas of 05. My wife informed me on Christmas Eve that she wanted a divorce and told me how she had prayed every day for my airplane to crash and for me to die. We have two great children who are being so hurt by this trial. God has given me so much grace and wisdom over the past year. Not only have I seen the mistakes I have made by not being the christian leader of my family that God calls me to be, but I’ve learned so much more. I have tried, in the past, to follow God’s rules and make good decisions for my life. Of course, even though the Lord has blessed me, I have failed miserably. What I have learned is that it is not about me, but Christ living through me. I do not want this divorce, but I have turned it over to the Lord in his perfect will, and that I be convicted of anything I allow to hinder his will. Thank you for your posts/blog, they speak to me and provide a Godly message and insight. God Bless
Billy Ray
John Wilson
Dave: I found your website while reading the “Live it” section of Crosswalk.com. I have come to tremendously enjoy your insights into the mysteries and paradoxes of life. I look foward to your “Confessions” in my inbox when ever the Spirit moves you. I am a Braves fan and enjoy your references to your baseball gig. My sympathy in the death of your mother. God always moves in His “mysterious ways” His wonders to perform. You and your family, especially for your wife’s recovery are on my prayer list. God bless and Thanks again. John Wilson, Nashville, TN
alice Findell
I am truly thankful about your honesty about your difficulties in school. My son, Eric, also was born before school difficulties was correctly diagnosed. He is unemployed now. His resume might look a little like yours.
Adrienne Hall
Most of the time I see whatever disturbs me as a mirror reflection of what I may need to curtail or change within me. I used to be a person whom blamed and moaned constantly about others; until I began to look deeper at my own character defects, until I had a spiritual awakening within myself. Your web and article have opened my inner inclinations once again. I’m grateful to be able to connect.
Teresa Stamper
I applaud your book, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”. Something I express often. I am guilty and I pray for a pure heart and mind everyday. I get so fustrated at people in my church and can’t understand why?, we do what we do. Church meetings are the worst…. instead of doing what God whats us to do, we bicker, (I say “we” because I am part of them), instead I would love to just stand up and scream, grow up and serve God the way we are suppose to. Love one another, be there for them when they are hurting… reach out, help. Quit the back bitting, the people who gossip, men are just as bad as women… I am finding this out more and more. We are still only trying to serve ourselves and not God. What’s good for us, will this benefit me in some way. Power control in the church is killing us. It scares me sometimes to even walk into the church, because something else is going on. And then the clicks, so many people leave because they don’t fit in and they have too many problems to deal with. Their marriage is falling apart, their children are so out of control no one wants them around. Here’s one for you, a women in our church, (part of the church, on the a-list), commits suicide, leaves her husband and two young boys at home. Everyone knew she was struggling but didn’t want to help. I was furious, angry, hurt and was guilty because I would have tried to help, but I do however try to stay away from the gossip… sometimes I hear it but walk away or shut it out. I did speak with our 2nd in command pastor, and told him how selfish I think she was, so many people would give anything for another day or year to spend with their family and friends. (I being a cancer survivor, my heart goes out to you and your wife), I was worried about my 15 year old daughter, what would happen to her if I had passed away, who would take care of her. God took care of me and my family. He gave me that 2nd chance and I have never lived for anything else, yes, I have fallen short more than a few times but my heart is His and I breathe Him everyday. I thank Him always for the mercy He has given me and His love is more than I deserve. But He does love me and I love Him. I just ask that you continue to write and may God be with you and your wife…. I will be praying for you both.
ps: I can’t wait to read Bring ‘EM Back ALIVE.
Thank you.
dover
I accidently stumbled upon your site,and I have sat here and wept,so many of the heartaches mentioned in your writings I have also suffered,and if God was not Real, I dont know where I would be today. I too,relate a lot of my thinking to song lyrics, And I must say that though the ship is battered,the anchor holds. God Bless you,for the Blessing you are to me.
Robbin
Dave, just wanted to say thanks. I check my emails daily to read your words. Your writings have been a tremendous blessing.
Love in Christ,
RPB
Cathy Vaught
Hi, Dave,
Just finished reading your written commentary, “Finish Strong in the Ninth Inning of Life”. It really “hit a home run” with me! 🙂 Like you, my goal is to also finish strong, pressing on toward the prize (Jesus!). I have bookmarked your website, and will get back to it during the day.
Blessings,
Cathy
Fayetteville, GA
25 miles south of Atlanta
Judy
My dear brother,
What an encouragement you are. Thank you for your transparency. Your writings about your mom are powerful. You have been in my prayers, forgive me for not giving you more tangible support during this time. I appreciate you and Joni so much and am so glad to be on the journey with you both.
Judy
John
I just ‘stumbled’ upon your blog from a link in yet another blog. Your title interested me so I surfed on over. It looks very interesting and I plan on lookiing around for a while.
May God richly bless you on your journey. May the perfect peace of God surpass all your understanding, and may the moments beside the still waters outshine the times in the valleys.
Jim Julian
Dave,
This is my first time to visit your web site.
Thanks for sharing your talent with us.
Jim
Connie
GREAT site! I’ve emailed the address to everyone on my mail list. What a blessing! I particularly appreciate the articles on forgiveness. Thanks for your ministry!
Sonia
You are so easy to read. I feel like I really get it when I read what you write. Thank you and my condolences regarding your loss. I’m glad you do have a close relationship to Jesus to aid in your healing process. May He offer comfort and a sense of peace to you in the coming days.
Alice
I love baseball too.
Kim Estes
I really enjoy your blog! I’m definitely subscribing to this one! God bless!
Teresa
I love getting your Blog every day. It seems there is always something in it that teaches me something new.
God Bless you
Bernie Gatchalian
Hi Dave,
I read your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” which I friend lend me to read. It expresses so many of my own feelings & frustrations about what I see in our churches, Pastors and Christians (including my own walk). Though I am in the Philippines, yet the things you say are true here as well. I think every Christian (maybe especially those in leadership positions in churches) ought to read it.
Bernie
Philippines
Mickey
Hi Dave!
Im busy reading your book “When Bad Christians…” and I must say that I am totally amazed at your honesty and openness. Thank you so much for doing what God says and not what the world expects of you! You are a real example to all Christians, and I’ve learned a lot from your book!
I now realize how important forgiveness is, and I am busy (with Gods help) to make it a part of my life. The chapter on WJSHTOT really got me thinking and the same with Our walking aint matching our talking!
This is a truly inspired book and I recommend it to all Christians!
Thanx again!
Shalom. Mickey
Elizabeth
Read your piece on the weight loss on forgiveness…thanks this helps. A+ article.
Rick
David,
I am a 50 yaer old Chritian saved 34 years ago and enjoying your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”. This was recommended by my Deacon for the problem I am going through. My wife had an affair with a head of the church I was going to and now they have married destoying our 1 year marriage and his 23 year marriage. This book has validated my walk with Christ to understand that I need to forgive and realize the true enemy is Satan. The big problem is they are continuing this relationship of sin and are basing their righteousness on to do so under the assumption that Christ has forgiven them and they are married in the eyes of God, and as we both know forgiveness only with repentance.
Thank you for the inspirational reading.
Sincerely,
Rick
Gary J. Burchett
Good afternoon, Dave:
I was told by a friend a day or two ago that a pamphlet I authored several years ago was being referenced and made available for sale on ebay. During my curious search to verify, I was so fortunate to have just discovered your website and the wonderful inspirational thoughts you pen each day.
Two or three things quickly….what part of the country do you live in? With the name Burchett (my original spelling is Burchette), obviously, I am curious about geneology and kinfolk.
I also “tinker” at writing and am involved in a lay radio ministry that I have done for 20 years, including the wonder of “streaming” on the internet for the past 6 or 8 months.
I have “bookmarked” your site and will look in frequently. Would love to get acquainted with you.
Gary B.
Dana Stinnett
Dear Dave,
Thanks for your kind words about my late husband Jay Stinnett. We miss him terribly but are comforted to see he touched the lives of so many.
God bless,
Dana Stinnett
sheila d
thank you for the great article you wrote on the post let down of christmas. i loved the idea of celebrating it for the next twelve days and plan on making this an important part of our christmas tradition.
Blaire
I’ve only discovered you a few months ago (not because of your lack of popularity, but because of my lack of literary knowledge) and I have to say that I have enjoyed everything I’ve read of yours. You don’t sugar coat things or avoid reality, but tell it like it is. We need more Christian writers like you to face the “real world” and give biblical answers. Thank you for your words of wisdom (and sarcasm!) I have truly been blessed by your writings.
Mary Heckman
Loved your books, e-mailed you a question, hope you got it. Thanks for your witness and humorous way to look at our short comings.
Pastor David Mickalishen
I discovered your site a couple of weeks ago and have thoroughly enjoyed it. I appreciate the humor and the honesty.
I pastor a church in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada (say that 1 time fast yet alone 3 times). Hope you don’t mind if I borrow from you time to time – I’ll give credit where due!
Our family as well will not be sad to see 2006 go. Mind you, we were not sad to see 2005 go either. And yet 2006 ended on a positive note. We have been walking a minefield with our 2nd daughter for the last couple of years. She quit grade 12 with a 98.9 grade point average, and has been living on the streets as a meth junky. Much as happened we are just happy to see go.
The positive note – She’s been clean for a couple of months, looking really good, going back to school in the New Year, and we spent a wonderful Christmas together. She still needs to come back to the Lord, so we’re praying.
Blessings and praying for you and your family.
Stephen Cox
Mr. Burchett…
I am so touched by “When Bad Chritsians”…what an amazing testimony and challenge! I (and my wife) am in a tough ministry in a church as paid staff members. Many of the things you wrote about hit home about myself and many of the people in this congregation. In “American President”, Annette Benning’s character is speakng with Michael Douglas’ character…and she asks in regards to another character’s actions: “How can you claim to love America, but clearly can’t stand Americans?” Can we moidify this a little bit? “How can someone claim to be a Christian, but clearly can’t stand Christians? At least can’t stand to be nice to Christinas?”
I am was so excited by the wit, and most of all Spiritual truth, in this book, that I read it in one sitting! I HATE to read…which, by the way, is noot a good thing for a grad student to admit. But I was so touched by what God placed on your hreat that I was drawn to keep reading! Thank you for your gift to Christians and unchurched alike!
God bless you and your family…and God bless you in your mission field of sports direction!
In Christ!
Stephen Cox
Dhel A. Acla
Dhel A. Acla
I read your article about Secret Santa and i was amaze in his story..Can I have his email address. I’m interested to know him more
Randy Hargrove
Merry Christmas Dave and family. It was great seeing you last month in Jacksonville. I got one of your books for Christmas and am enjoying it right now. I can’t wait to discuss it with you and get an autograph. Enjoy the next 10 days of Christmas, I know that I will.
Randy
Anonymous
Merry Christmas Dave!
God Bless Charles Schultz ! Long live political incorrectness.
Scott
felician
Hi dude!
Christmas Day falls on December 25. It is preceded by Christmas Eve on December 24, and in some countries is followed by Boxing Day on December 26. Some Eastern Orthodox Churches celebrate Christmas on January 7, which corresponds to December 25 on the Julian calendar. December 25 as a birthdate for Jesus is merely traditional, and is not thought to be his actual date of birth.G’night
Heidi
Hi. I found this website in a roundabout way and just wanted to say that your book, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” sounds intriguing and I will try to pick it up sometime. I just am finishing a study on God’s grace so this might be the logical next idea to pick up on.
Sincerely,
Heidi
James L. King
A book I will recommend to you that I read a lot to answer your questions (rather than Google searches) is the Bible (Tongue in cheek).
1.How can I find significance? Find and fulfill your calling. Youmay have it in this website. The objective of the calling will found in Matthew 28, The great commission, discipling all nations and often the environment will be found in ministries fulfilling Matthew 25, the sheep at judgment day will have fed Christ, clothed him, visited Him in prison, etc. As a prison chaplain (volunteer at present) where those needs are met by the state I encourage my disciples to think of these as ministering to the spiritually hungry, spiritually unportected, etc.
To guide you in this process remember Romans 8:14. Those who are led by the Spirit (Holy that is) are the children of God). Practice the presence of God and your questions will be answered in the process.
Your Brother in Christ (who continues to confess also),
Jim King
Patti King
Loved your article on the “Lowing.” I shared it with busy friends to help ground them in the spirit of the season.
Merry Christmas.
Gary L. Burchett
Hey Dave, We may be related.
Mark Elliott
SAW YOUR ARTICLE ABOUT SECRET SANTA LOVED IT
Gail Troxell
My dear Dave,
May I call you dear? And brother?
For I need to thank you most tenderly and sincerely
for being who you are
and for through your website , (and your spiritual work)
capturing the essence, and the best of the spirit of Christmas
Your website is perfect
Heres the point and why I say these things
On you website,
through what you and others contribute of their heart and selves
is what we desparately now need
to recover in our understanding of Christs work here
and the very center core of His true messages to us.
What He came to bring and what He came to teach
is what you are NOW doing
What He came to Earth to give us
you have truly received
How can we be so sure?
it is in HOW and WHAT you now give to others
and the relief…others experience
through your willingness to embrace the truth
and to speak the truth and challenge of all it
That you are honest, forthright ,and still a Man who believes
What you give, and communicate within your website and other work
though you’ve packaged yourself as a ‘bad” and fallen Son
your forum, subject matter and shared messaging
all are at the center of His whole life’s message and why he was sent !
and in truth it is WHY why we should thank him
and celebrate His birth in all Christmas activities
I ask only that you please keep up the good faith , you are cherished
and Christ himself…
may name you “His best & most recovered Earth Son/Brother of the year 2006”
Bill Petite
I read and enjoyed your first book..When Bad Christians Happen to Good People and have read about half of Bring ‘Em Back Alive which I am also enjoying. I have had the opportunity to talk with people who have had bad experiences with the Church and are seriously injured as a result. It is a sad and disheartening thing to see. I have felt the Lord slightly tugging on my heart to reach out to more of these people through ministry. I am currently praying about how the Lord would have me go about it. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your material. Thanks Dave…..
Bill Petite
Jason Phipps
Being a Christian, a Texan, a caffeine-addict and a sports fan – your book was just what my life needed (not to say that all prospective readers of this book need be all of these, just the first one). This book fell into me in a time when I needed what it offered… a refreshing look at my christian walk. The biblical backbone supporting this book is solid. Thank you Mr. Burchett for having the obience to write a book filled with truth, humor and love. This book is truly an inspirational read.
-jason phipps
Ram
Mr. Burchett,
Your book: Bring” Em Back Alive. is good, you may consider your next book
Being Run Over By Father, Son & Holy Spirit. The theme would be pastors that don’t care about their people. All they are interested in is the next mountin top deal. Or title behind their name.
Peggy Harris
I’ve read your book: When Bad Christians Happen to Good People and have added it to our hospitality book section on our web site: http://www.tagnet.org/wash
W.A.S.H. stands for Women and Men Against Sexual Harassment and Other Abuses.
I’ve added my biblical hospitality materials in a new section of that web site as I find that abuse victims can benefit from biblical hospitality.
Thank you for all you do and what you have written about. May God bless and keep you,
Sincerely
Peggy Harris, W.A.S.H. Board Chair
Liz from Africa
I googled something and I ended up here. Your posts are straight from the heart, and they have really touched me. Praying for God’s continued peace and love for you and your wife.
Jill
Just found this site via Crosswalk. I will be back and I am going to find your book about people who have been hurt by the church.
Thanks
Freeda McArthur
I just wanted to encourage you because we need your “voice” in the Christian community and, of course, the unbelievers. Blessings for you and may you keep the mind of Jesus in all you do and say.
DAVID W. WILLIAMS
I enjoy this site and will be back thanks.
Scott Dailey
That has to be one of the most interesting pieces ever to come out of Hollywood. Can someone ask Mr. Sajak if I can buy a vowel?
Pat
Thank you for sharing these thoughts! Your encouragement & focus on the positive and on all that cancer patients and their families have to be thankful for is a great help. Your recounting of the President Reagan joke was also a reminder of the benefit of gentle humor……. A newly diagnosed patient who will be sending healing thoughts to Joni and your family.
Alex Simon
Keep you in love of Lord and in his wonderful power and peace again today and see how this his beautiful living word will be upfild with powerful deeds and wonders.Help that many may find and know Christ ,Please prayers for Trinity Ministry, Thanks and God bless Alex.
Carole
So neat to hear you, once again, rejoice in the small and wonderful things God is doing in y’all’s life! You are a blessing to us and we love you both!
C & C
Joy Smith
God Bless You! Loved your Christmas List article, very insightful of today’s materialistic world – even Christians.
bob williams
I’m finally here. It’s always good to see you guys at church (or anywhere for that matter) and hear about your kids. Encouraging and inspirational. Love you, bw
Christie Lyerla
I LOVE the article on friendship!
Laurie
I just wanted to say thank you for putting up this blog. I stumbled upon it during one of my down moments. Feeling self pity because I’m a single mom waiting for God to send someone. After reading the post about your son’s interaction with Brett, I am humbled. Thank you.
Geramie Hancock
Dave,
God Bless You for bringing forth the light on the Ted Haggard situation. I know alot of christians and very few if any are sin free in their walk with god. Ted’s comments lead me to believe he is relieved that light was shed on his sins. He stated there were attempts and periods of rejoicing with the lord for freeing him of whatever darkness he was referring to had a foothold in his life. God or Satan either one shed the light but God’s Grace is not something Satan should attempt to cover with darkness. Ted is already under the wing of our father if he meant from his heart the statements and the acceptance of his sins.
Father God I pray to you in the name of your son and my savior Jesus Christ that you will use Ted to heal other christians that see their hidden sin as something that can not be handed to you and washed in the blood of christ. I pray that other christian leaders see that no one is perfect but leaning on our father God is the key and only way to prevent sin from entering our life. I pray that christian leaders will understand that not even the holiest of God’s chosen leaders are exempt from attacks from the enemy. Daily prayer and honor is the only way to prevent situations like have come upon Ted.
I pray for these things in the name of Jesus Christ your son and our savior.
Amen
Geramie Hanock
George Retter
Dave,
A member of our small group sent me the link to Crossroads where your excerpt on what to do this Christmas hit me like a mack truck. Thank you! I also visited your website and pray that many more will connect with you via this site or other related links. God has blessed you with a gift and as another man once said to me, your life should be about significance…. yours certainly is Dave.
George
Anonymous
Wow Matt, I am humbled. Not because of your actions or your writing. Exposure to the truth is humbling. When I take the time to reach out hoping to change someone, more often it is I who God changes. Apparently I think God needs me. Are we to be His Hands and His Feet while we are here? Most definitely! I believe , however that I do not go into such an experience expecting to be changed myself. I was created for fellowship with God. I just have blinders on as to when that fellowship takes place.
Bob Bennett wrote a song based on Matthew 25: 31-46. Jesus is teaching about clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, visiting the prisoner, welcoming the stranger , and ministering to those who are sick. The chorus says,
“Unto the least of these, what you do for them you also do for me. You must give of what you have, to become what YOU must be. You must give your love unto the least of these.”
When you or I become the hands and feet of Jesus, it is you and I who God is in the process of changing.
Scott
Debra Hernandez
I’ve just read your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”. Loved the truth, loved the humor – a soul searching and life change experience for me. Keep up the good work! God Bless!
Cheryl Vasiliou
I have only just now received your blog newsletter or whatever it is. By just scanning some of the articles, I feel I am going to love receiving these. Take care and God Bless.
Shawn from Ohio
Thanks Dave for your blog. I’ve found civility and a good person in the things you say. I may disagree, even strongly, but you’re one of the good guys.
I discovered your site from one of my “google alerts” I have setup for “Sam Harris”. Your site has inspired me to take the plunge into blogging.
Thanks and keep on keepin on.
-Shawn
Another touched reader
Humbly ramble on Dave !
Scott Dailey
If I am one of your tens of reader’s, then do you count me on your fingers or your toes?
Just wondering,
Scott
Bill H.
Thanks for your column about Baylor. I am glad there are some people and places that will still stand up for family and traditional values. some people would call good values old fashioned. However, good values are not old fashioned (even though there are a lot of “enlightened” people that think they are old fashioned). They are building blocks on which to build families, friendships, countries, and society. When you do not have quality building blocks with which to build, you get shoddy results and workmanship. I think we are seeing societal results that are showing the “shoddy” building blocks that so many schools, organizations and people are trying to promote. As the saying goes, “you reap what you sow”.
Scott Dailey
Every time I have been around Matt in the past or read his guest writings on your blog, I have been impressed with his qualities. Not only is he a man who models integrity, he can write too! You and Joni are blessed Dave.
Praying for you both,
Scott
Robert Walker
I have just finished reading your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” with my Tuesday mens group. We throughly enjoyed your book. God has used it to show me some areas in my life that need work (you just had to put that check list in the last chapter!) Thank you for being so open and straightforward in your writing!!
Teri
Dave-
My bible study leader asked us to bring some thoughts on grace to our next bible study. I googled “grace” and I found your website. I love your writings. You make me think and I have spent hours reading the archives. I look forward to reading more of your work. God bless you!
Dwight Clark
Very insightful, Janelle Miles sent me to your site and I will be back.
Thanks
Margie
What happened to those children was terrible, the faith that the Amish walk in is amazing , we who claim to be Christians should look at our committment and walk. To search our hearts. Where do I see Jesus, just a few miles to the east in a quiet
community just wanting to serve God.
DAvid Stikeleather
Thanks for being a voice of balance in our unbalanced world.
Lisa Harris
Dave~
I truly appreciate your humility and Christian witness! I only wish more Christians would respond to life’s precarious situations in a similar godly fashion.
Blessings,
Lisa Harris
Kathy
Dave: Your articles always touch me and cause me to reflect on my own slow walk with Christ. Thanks for your thoughtful commentaries.
Jane Ames
I am a graduate student in Social Work at Roberts Weselyan Colleg in Rochester, NY. I am a survivor of church abuse that contiues to be ongoing (even though my famliy left that church over 4 years ago). This pastor (?) continues to slander my name. My family attended this church for less than a year. However, in that time, we witnessed the “discipline” of our best frineds (who were the last remaining founding family of this church!). Even though we sensed something was “off” immediately, and eventually left, the result of our “rebellious attitude towards authority” was immense, and has taken years to sift through. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of harm a Christian can do – all in the name of Christ, all the while spouting scriptue as they go at it. I just read your comments on Madonna and the other guy – great advise! I could join you under that table! I seem to be always stirring things up. I don’t mean to, but I have this unquenchable desire to ONLY know the TRUTH, and none of this other stuff that says it is, but really is not. I am currently doing a research proposal paper and my research qustion is: “What happens to Christians when they experience spiritual abuse from a Christian leader?” In doing the research, I came across (and bought) your two books and this web site.
Blessings to you for being one of those “good Christians” who is not letting them
Jane
Karla Varga
Hi Dave,
I just want you to know that I have started reading “When Bad Christians Happen To Good People”-(I’ve read chapter one) and I’m enjoying your book so much! You bring up some very good points! I can’t wait to get into chapter two!! Thank you and God Bless you and your ministry!!!
Sincerely,
Karla Varga
Barbara Crincoli
I love your site. I discovered you through Crosswalk. When I was very young, 19, I was involved with Campus Crusade for Christ at March AFB. I am a retired Air Force member. What those people taught me is forever imbedded in my heart.
Keep up the good work.
Miriam
I loved reading your article about Rosie ODonnell. I match your opinions about the fact she’s history in entertainment. I also feel she is trying to mask her own guilty feelings about “coming out of the closet” and as most do,and slamming Christianity because of the convictions placed on them by the Holy Spirit. They ignore these inner feelings and outwardly try to make Christianity look bad so they won’t feel bad on the inside. This statement would ignite fury and denial from them. I know entertainers have to possess a great deal of ego to do what they do but too much leads to situations such as this one. Their campaign against Jesus is an excuse to do as they please but when trials become life threatening, who do they turn to. Thank God for this, I guess. I used to watch soap operas in the 70 and 80’s. I quit because of the insane attempt to entertain of which I was a victim for years. When Erica Kane had affairs with all three generations was enough to convict me to abstain from these incredibly immoral viewings. I have regretted ever getting “hooked” on them. But what always happened, were the pleas for God’s help in the hospital chapel or in the window of the hospital room. The worst of the worst would always cry out to God only to resume their tainted lives after their pleas were heard and apparently answered their way. Hollywood puts God in a box this way or they place puppet strings on Him. God is dipicted as a scapegoat for anything that goes wrong and responsibility is not the one sinning. It’s God and those judgemental Christians’ fault. Also, if at any time, Rosie or anyone else says they’re mad at God or anything similiar, that’s just an admission they DO BELIEVE HE EXISTS. You can’t be mad at someone you don’t believe lives. It’s a crazy world we live in but with writers such as yourself “coming clean” like you did, others will have the same drive and hopefully, the Holy Spirit will continue to convict those such as Madonna, Rosie,etc to cease this attempt to discredit the Almighty. Remember all those who threatened to leave the USA if Bush were elected. I don’t recall any of them leaving, do you? ha!
Thanks for the great reading!
Miriam
Chattanooga, Tenn.
Jim Dunn
Dave,
The comments regarding Rosie O’Donnell were were a model example of how we, as Christians, should respond to critizism and attacks. You are an inspiration and a great example to me. .
Thank You,
Jim Dunn
Joy
Thank you so much for your blog! I have really benefited from your God-ward way of looking at things – even the tough stuff like Rosie’s diatribe and Madonna’s onstage shenanigans. I hope you are encouraged by what a blessing you are to other radical Christians!!
Scott Dailey
How does the turtle know to be scared of the bomb?
Question from Dave to Scott…
How did the monkey get dynamite?
Rick Place
Nice job, Dave. I just read your article about Rosie and the View. Rosie is an interesting person. I believe her agenda is to protect and legitimize her lifestyle. Unfortunately many in America believe that you a Christian because you are born into a family that traditionally seek Jesus, so by default you have to be a Christian because you have to be something. Many also believe that if you were baptized as an infant then you are a Christian. A Christian cannot be a “Born Again” Christian. A Christian is a sinner who is born again into a new life with Jesus. A Christian can not be Evangelical because we were all given the same command by Jesus to go into the world and tell his story. I do not like putting a label on my faith, but in this day and age it is hard not to because the term Christian does not mean the same to everyone. If it is OK I would like to adopt your agenda. If that means that I am radical, then to God be the Glory. Thank you for this great article. Rick Place
THE REV.
THANKS.
I DON’T KNOW IF YOU HAVE HELPED ROSIE BUT, YOU SURE HELP ME.
Patricia E Hesser
god bless your works
http://www.geocities.com/georgiesmemory/
Narelle Buckman
Dave,
I have just read the article ‘Confessing my “Radical Agenda” to Rosie O’Donnell’ in a Live It Devotional dated 9/22/06.
Thank you for saying what you did. God bless you for your courage and your faithfulness.
I live in Brisbane, Australia and it is indeed sad to see how people have become so selfish and materialistic here as well.
All those who profess the name of Christ need to get real, and be prepared to speak the truth – truly a word in season.
You go, Dave!
God bless,
Narelle Buckman
Elise
your article today was incredible. Thanks for putting it back into perspective.
I long to be the kind of christian you were describing. Thanks for helping me
to see that it is all about Jesus!!!
Joan Oliver
I like what you had to say to Lisa–it speaks to me, too. Thanks.
Rosie needs prayer–and to think before she speaks!
Michael Cooper
Thanks for reminding us that this journey is all about what Jesus has done for us, not what we meagerly try to do for Him.
Cheryl L. Callon
Dave, I found you on Crosswalk and I look forward to every post you write. I love your honesty, openness, and willingness to share your life with others. I lost track of the number of posts I have forwarded to family and friends, because I feel they are so relevant to my life and ministry. Keep going! I’m praying for you and Joni!
Mark Amburn from TN
Dave,
I just read part of your article “A Husband’s Honest Reflections on Feminine Beauty” It opened my eyes to see my wife in a new light. I hope that your wife Joni is doing ok. You have touched my heart, when i read this i was thinking of my grandfather, and granmother (who passed away when i was 3) my grandfather passed away later, but i remeber my parents saying that my grandmother had lukemia.
I love Rascal Flatts. That song and video is one of my favorites. I hope you all lots of love and joy.
Thanks for sharing your life with people you dont even know, because it has opened my eyes and heart!
Thanks Again
Mark
Sharon McCommas
Mr. Burchett,
I loved your response to Rosie O’Donnell. I get so discouraged thinking the whole world views Christians as she does. Your article gives me hope and puts into words exactly how I feel. I will certainly forward your words to my little “circle of influence” and as a lay speaker I may even use them in a sermon (giving proper credit of course!).
Sharon McCommas Burr
Melissa Moeller
Dave,
I just read your Rosie article and really enjoyed it. I’m trying to become a more radical Christian myself. Thanks for speaking/writing about what true Christians are all about.
Melissa
Holiday
Mr. Dave,
I read your reply to Rosie ODonnell, and I think that it was very good. You trully have a way with words, definitly a God giving talent. It’s wonderful to have someone like you to put into words something that I have been trying (with God’s help :o) live whole heartedly, I got saved at the age of four, and ever since then I have been trying to be a “Troublsome Christian”. As for the people who give christians a bad name (on prupose or not) I always remind myself that Christ died for them to and his grace and mercy is for eveyone! And above all else I pray and when I am done praying, I pray some more. Beacause as my very wise father says ” Prayer moves the hand that moves the world” I apologize for any grammatical or spelling errors 🙂
darold moxcey
Dave – thank-you for speaking the truth in love. Truely if we would focus
more on living like Christ and being Christ-like people would be drawn
to Christ in us.
Dave – please don’t stop addressing & confronting issues relevant to our
walk with Christ in this world.
Darold
Bill Hubbs
I will Pray for Road Toad, I will not give up on him because I know God has not given up on him. I too have been guilty of not seperating the sinner from the sin. More that likely I have turn others away from the forgiveness of Christ. If not for the Love of Christ, there go I.
Roadtoad
It’s a little late. I’m done with the Church. I don’t need the abuse anymore. I’m not being “willfull” when I insist my wife and kids being treated with respect. I’m not being “willfull” when I insist that I be treated as an adult.
I’ve said plenty on my own website, http://www.thesociablecritic.com. And I have more to come. I’m done.
But, thanks for trying.
Louise J. Mishler
Good Morning Dave: I too believe as you do. I am troubled by people who claim the Christian faith yet don’t believe God speaks to us today. Those who have attended the same church for years-five generations and yet excluded anyone not in their circle. Forget the importance of forgiveness of each other in the church, including the Pastor and feel they are not accountable to each other. We should wonder why people stop going to church, when they are not challenged or given the news of God’s power through the Spirit. I live because the Spirit lives in me. We can have everything, but if the Spirit isn’t living in us we have nothing.
In my church it amazes me how often we speak of the grace-grace & love love love of God, yet we dare not mention the fear of God. No wonder we behave so badly. If we but read the O.T. just once we would begin to recognize that the fear and love of God keeps us closer to him and His word. I challenge anyone reading this to take the One Year Bible and read it through one time, I’ve been doing it for many years and it keeps me clear on my sinfulness and God’s holiness. Blessing to all. Louise
Cynthia Peterson
Glad I found your site and I thought you summed up the Rosie O’Donnel debacle extremely well. I have felt the “radical” Christians she was talking about were those of us who try hard to follow Christ and occasionally practice the “tough” love of saying “that is not right.” Of course, in this day of relativism that’s a no no as far as society is concerned. Everything is okay and voicing anything different is not okay – unless, of course, you are disparaging Christians. I tend not to want to suffer those people, but I try to keep reminding myself (or more accurately, the Holy Spirit keeps reminding me) that Christ never promised that living a life for him would be easy, nor would we be popular with the world. Most importantly, Christ died for all of us so we must continue to be vigilant and pray for unbelievers and continue to talk to them so that Christ can work in their hearts. Thanks for reminding me again through your column.
Tresa Martin
I just read your beautifully written article on Crosswalk, “A Husband’s Honest Reflection”. My mom is enduring a very powerful form of chemo (72 hrs. at a time) and lost her hair after the first treatment. I know for her that it was very emotional but I know how my dad loves her and I know that he sees her real beauty even now. He has been by her side day and night and wouldn’t be any other place.
I also read your wonderful response to Rosie. It was also well written and I plan to share it with some friends of mine. We have all been reevaluating our lives and asking God to rework our lives so that we can be more like Him. Our church is really striving to do the two things that Christ said was most important and that is to love God and love people. Thank you for putting into words some of the ways we can all strive to do what Christ has asked us to do.
jeff devine
Hi Dave,
I just read your article on Crosswalk. I do understand what you wrote about….the real beauty. My wife has been gone for almost 9 years(home with the Lord) after dealing with cancer, . What beauty, what grace to see how God abides, listens, understands, while we’re right in the thick. What a powerful thing to see how she trusted th e Lord all the way to the end (beginning). It’s certainly not something we asked for, but God “condensed” our marriage, making it very rich, we had just 9 years together. And the Lord continues to hold us (me and the kids, 17+13) up.
Please pray for me, I’ve just learned that there’s a spot on my one of my kidneys (the Dr. believes to be an early cancer, at an early stage), and will have out-patient surgery on Sept. 26th to deal with it.
God Bless You, Dave!
Jeff
Doris Huber
Realy, really liked the way you wrote the piece on Christians and Rosie O. and would have commented on the ‘blog’ site, but being computer naive, did not know what Url was so am commenting here. Sorry Ed did not get it. I know you aren’t out to ‘make’ Christians, we leave that up to the Lord. Maybe you could contact him and lead him to the scriptures so he can ‘hear’ the word of God for himself? Who knows, we might gain a brother!
June Wylie-Longman
Hooray for you. It’s been a long time since I have read something as well written as your comments on the Rosie OiDonnel mess. More importantly I love how you outlined your intent and what you stand for.
We need more Christians like you.
Loved every word.
God Bless,
June
Lisa
Dave: Right on regarding the whole Rosie O’Donnell stuff. I appreciate your true heart after the Father. That’s what being as Christian is all about. If you don’t have love, you don’t have anything. Ms. O’Donnell needs Jesus and we need to be praying for her. Be blessed and Psalm 91!
Lisa Smith
Mt. Juliet, TN
Amy Cantilina
Just wanted to let you know how much I appreciated your confessions of your Radical Agenda. Loved it. I completely agree but didn’t quite know how to articulate the thoughts you outlined when I first heard about Rosie’s comments. Thanks for clarifying it for me–I like the term “troublesome Christian.” May we each become one.
Karen Mazzotti
Just thanks. To hear a man speak about true beauty – inner beauty – is rare. My prayer is that the Lord would bless you and your truly beautiful wife with many more and long years of fruitful ministry. I’m hoping to read about your 60th wedding anniversary!
Myrlene Blackwell
Just received info about your website from a friend. Thanks for all the great stuff.
I will be praying for your wife and for you. You make me laugh and cry in all of 2 minutes. Thanks, I really need that. Keep up the good work. Myr
Sandra Berryhill
I read “A Husband’s Honest Reflections” on a Crosswalk devotional I get. I read several of your articles and then the Piper one you mentioned about “Don’t Waste Your Cancer.” April 26th of this year, my husband of 26 years, father of our 8 children, my best friend, and always, my Beloved–closed his eyes in this world and opened them to look at Jesus Christ. Pancreatic cancer. Cliff was a cowboy in the truest and best sense of the word; and all who knew him loved him. Were it not for the word of God–who CANNOT lie–which says that we will live again and be together for eternity, there is no way I could make it though one day. I pray that your family will be spared and that your wife will emerge victorious, stronger and better for the experience. Cancer gets your priorities straight in a blinding instant; the list of things that I needed in this life got OH SO SHORT even as the doctor’s words were hanging in the air, the air which instantly was drained from the room. Journaling helps. Having four children still at home, while an awesome responsibility, fills my days and keeps me going. Our children are daughters 31 (from Cliff’s first marriage) 22, 11, 8, and 17 months and sons 26, 24, and 14. Please keep our family in your prayers, and make each moment count with your own family. Thank you for the article–I will be reading more of your articles, and probably using some of them as homeschool devotional material with the children.
Sandra B– sw Mississippi
matt
Just wanted to say thanks for the blogs–you write very well.
Kathy Schilke
What an inspiration you are! I read your article on Crosswalk.com’s/women’s newletter, “A Husband’s Honest Reflections on Feminine Beauty”. What a beautiful and touching article. I also read your weblog. Your wife and children are very lucky and fortunate to have you in their lives. Your wife sounds like an amazing woman.
Thank you for sharing the article and know that I also cry! My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family!
Kathy
Becky
I just stumbled upon your website from a Crosswalk Marriage Newsletter which I just signed up for after marrying for the 3rd time a wonderful man who loves the Lord and have never experienced love like I am now. That’s what brought your blog about a “A Husband’s Honest Reflections on Feminine Beauty”, so close to home. because my husband loves me for my a beauty that no one else has ever seen and that is a love that I feel is very rare in our times and one I never experienced before, what an intensity. It does take a maturity that some people never reach, sometimes you have to go through many trials and tribulations to ever reach and too many people try to go around their trials. I do pray the best for you and your wife through this time. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
molly cheong
I like your teaching, Dave. I read your “bar” story—and yes, I agree, it takes all sorts to make the local church. Each one of us have to really LOOK unto JESUS, when our fellow brothers and sisters are not behaving in a Christian manner to the others. It would be good when we can extend grace unto others for their inadequacies, as we would want them to do the same for our inadequacies! =)
Bless you all! Praise the LORD!
Larry Dill
Seems like we might have more than a few things in common (besides eclectic music tastes, bad dad jokes and a passion to live an authentic Christian life, whatever that means). My wife of 26 years is going thru breast cancer treatment. I found that there weren’t many resources for us guys as we struggled to understand the disease, how it affects our lives and give support to our wives. I found a book called, The Breast Cancer Husband that helped a lot. However, we could sure use one from a Christian perspective. You just might be the guy to write it!
I also found my bald wife beautiful in a totally new and unexpected way. She had a hard time receiving it but eventually caught on. Her hair is coming back now and she looks cute with short hair (something I NEVER thought would happen).
We try to see each day for what it really is – a gift from God. We know what the doctors say about her chances for survival but the only really important number is the one written in the BOOK. In the mean time we’ll do our best to live courageously, love unconditionally and give God the glory, totally!
In His grip – Larry
Libby
I just received a Crosswalk article about you learning the meaning of true beauty through the struggle of your wife’s cancer. I must tell you, I was touched by your words.. Your wife sounds amazing. I would love to hear how things are with her now, and to know if there is anything in particular I could pray for her about.
In God’s Love,
Libby G
Darcey Turner
Just started reading “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”. What an inspiration! I am only two chapters in, and I feel fantastic just reading your words. As a “new” Christian, or actually one who is returning after being discouraged in childhood, this is fantastic. I turned away from Christianity in my youth due to the “bad Christian” who would “do their duty” by showing up in church on Sunday, singing the hymns, standing and sitting when told, reciting scripture, and then meeting in the lobby afterwards to talk about who showed up with who, who was wearing (or not wearing) what, and what they really thought about their minister. What a thing for a kid to see! What a conflicted message to receive! So I explored other faiths for awhile, and am now coming back at 33 years old.
Keep writing, your words and humor carry great inspiration and are a wonderful gift from God.
Lena Smith
Your story about “real” men crying touched me. My brother-in-law passed away a little over a month ago after a 4 year battle with breast cancer. He always smiled and never complained. He touched so many lives…I can hope of touching half as many as he did. The cancer spread to his brain, bone, spine, pelvic area, and lung. He still never complained and always had a smile on his face. Even when walking was an obstacle, he made it down to the altar every Sunday morning to pray. He had a bumper sticker on his car that read “Real Men Love Jesus”. That was Troy.
nick noga
It was nice to see you at the baseball park last weel
I read your story
How true that is.We can be gone in the blink of and eye
I am in milwaukee wednesday.
that will be a hard day for me as lots of “jay” stories are told
God Bless
nick noga
nmt..
Debbie Martinot
I have been receiving crosswalks lately and really find God’s truth in your articles.
Keith R Nash
Site seems good. I agree with some of your statements, and am not sure about others.I will keep with your site untill I decide it no longer instructs me or makes me think.
Scott
Speaking as someone who has seen pictures of you in that baby blue tux (blame your oldest son), I too am embarassed for you. I still had a year to appear on the planet when Jeannie came on the scene, but remember having the typical teenage crush as well. Thanks for learning to give up childish things Dave. You are a testimony to me.
Thanks,
Scott
deb hinton
Mr. Auben’s quote-“you shall love your crooked neighbor with your crooked heart.” reminded me of another quote from my church bulletin-“the devil is forever convicting folk of other peoples’ sins. The Holy Spirit convicts us of our own.” copied
signed, crooked heart
Odie Noble
I enjoyed looking over your website. Maybe you can come to speak at the new church. Hope to see you soon.
Love and Prayers,
Odie, Diana, Ryan and Caleb
Paul Buettell
Thanks Dave for you outlook on life I really enjoy your wit and sarcasm. Its hard to know what truth is when you have been told a certain way is truth is and what is a correct point of view your whole life. Poor Woody with no hope.
One a lighter note. I have enjoyed both your books “Confessions” and “Bring em Back”. As a reformed legalist who is still undergoing “intense therapy” for right and wrong lists (or are they black and white lists I cannot remember), jugmental attitudes, ect., I have really enjoyed your take and wisdom concerning our place in the Church. I grew up in Northern Ohio (“Go Browns” or is it “…wait until next year” I cannot remember which I say the most) in a similar Church setting.
Thanks Dave and I will be praying for you and your wife and that God would be glorified in all you do and say.
Klay Hall
I enjoyed your blog.
Scott Dailey
What I find most intriguing about God speaking through the donkey was that Balaam actually continiued to have a conversation, as though this was perfectly normal to be speaking to a donkey. Wait a minute….
Scott (hee haw)
Michael Hochradel
Refreshingly honest and open about your own struggles. Oh that more christians would have the God given freedom and confidence to be honest with themselves and others around them.
That sunflower is perfect… big, bright and beautiful. I’ll definately be reading this blog from now on.
Neil Schori
Dave,
As a pastor, I greatly enjoyed and was convicted by your book, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good people.” Thank you for your authentic, and challenging writings.
I also want you to know that I am praying for your wife’s recovery from cancer. What you wrote on your blog about what God is teaching your through your’s and your wife’s trial is wonderful, challenging, and insightful.
In His Mercy,
Neil
Lisa K. Ahrensbach
Amen Brother. We are all sinners in need of grace. In fact the more honest I allow myself to get with myself and others, the nearer I feel God to me. Which is far more important than how near I feel to Him at any given moment. Feelings are so ficle and vain. Thank God nothing is dependent upon them, only Him and His response to us. You make it easy and wonderful to join the ranks of the self-deprecating.
Amen.
Lisa
Gregory Rose
I sent you an email concerning your book about Bad Christians, with an attachment….a poem written over 100 years ago, that expresses my own views better than I could ever express them….
I hope you will oblige me with your time and views….
Bless you
Greg
Miss Wendy
I loved your articles on crosswalk.com. Your humor pops through your writing and makes for quite an easy read! Keep up the good work! May you be mightily blessed in our Lord Jesus Christ! <>< THUMP.
Scott Dailey
Thanks for the visit to the Saturday afternoon matinee. After the movie I went down to the corner Rexall and had a chocolate malted with my steady.
Scott
Ray
The June 28 blog about the rats and immune systems hit me between the eyes. I want to break away from the minor irritants and get back to concentrating on eliminating the major sins in my life and regain the desire to win souls for Christ.
I am more concerned about my preacher’s ineptitude and illegal aliens than I am about living a pure life and witnessing for Christ. Shame on me.
Thanks for writing that article.
Ray
Scott Dailey
Tevye a bad dancer! Now I have something to really be offended about! As I recall from my last viewing of The Fiddler on the Roof, Tevye had some grumpy old man in him. Perhaps he could join you in the balcony.
Grace and Peace to you and Joni. Love ya Dave.
Scott
Bob and Mary
We are praying for you and Joni especially today during this treatment. Thanks for keeping us posted. We love you both.
The Words
Claud George
We live in a world of smoke and mirrors for the most part where advertising companies are flashing untrue statements, companies are doing uncanny business and individuals will say or do anything to enhance their creditability. We accept most of this because we want what we read or hear to be true. How many books and letters have been printed only to find out later that they were in error? Why? Because we think if it is in writing and the ink did not smear it is true.
In this wonderful world of electronics and cyber networking it is easy for us to write and send tainted information all over the world from the comfort of our home. Knowing full well that the average person would never find us or would not even want to find us. Why? Because if it sounds good just believe it.
Dave, you are like finding a drink of water in the desert! It is such a pleasure to read your writings and blog knowing that you always research your statements or comments. I have sat in many of your teachings with the comfort of knowing that you quote from the bible, verse for verse, anything you bring before God’s people. You have lead our “second family” home group in the same manner. With all that is going on in your and Joni’s lives it would be so easy to wing it but that is not what God has put in your heart. For your obedience to follow God’s will I say thank you!!
You have been a “rock” for Joni in her time of cancer and she has been so strong to listen and obey what God has had to say to her. She has been a lady on top of the world and still climbing during this whole ordeal. What faith you both have in the Lord and in each other. Such a blessing that God chose each of you to minister and set an example to those around you.
gayla recchi
Dave, Joni is beautiful. Thanks for saying it so well. Gayla
Carl Martin
My wife and I have been reading, When Bad Christians Happen to Good People. It has been so refreshing and challenging. Thanks so much for writing this book! I also noted that you recommend reading Yancey. I couldn’t agree more!
God Bless.
Carl
Phil Antonucci
Without any question, Dave is one of my favorite people! An outstanding director, with a deep soul. As a matter of fact, kinda like my daughter Alexa’s Godfather. May God always bless you.
Joydale Plemons
Thank you, Dave Burchett for your confession posting on the DeVinci Code. The whole matter has made a lot of us out here start doing more research into our Christian heritage.
paula halbach
it’s 2:30 am and i’ve somehow stumbled onto dave’s blog. good reading. told in classic dave style. i’ll come again sometime when i’m not so groggy.
Roberta Pondexter
Continue on allowing God to use you, stay encouraged.
If ye continue in my word, then ye are my disciples indeed; John 8:31
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free; John 8:32
God Bless Both of you
Deirdre O'Brien
Hi Dave and Joni
Having just held a friends hand through cancer treatment for the last few months, my thoughts are with you. I know that God is a good god and as He has said He causes all things to work together for the good for those who love Him and are called according to His purposes, but as a mother who lost one of her children I know that it is not always easy to hold on to that truth, nor is it so easy to resist the temptation to rage at God sometimes.
So I will pray for you during this time, your candidness is so refreshing and I really enjoy your writing.
Before I finish up I would like to tell you something that encouraged and encourages me still.
I asked for something from the Lord to give to a new Christian who was moving away, and He said this to me:
The word of the Lord is always, never and forever.
I asked Him what on earth did that mean, and He said:
Behold I am with you ALWAYS even to the end of the age, I will NEVER leave you or forsake you, the word of the Lord stands FOREVER
Three little verses that have carried me through many many traumas and I hope that if the need should arise, they will carry you also.
Thank you and God bless
Deirdre
Mark Hull
Dave, When Bad Christians Happen to Good People is an excellent book, it is so true. Enjoy reading your blogs, keep up the great attitude and insight. Thanks. Mark
Alison Maricle
I LOVE reading your BLOG God has used your writing to teach me, correct me and bless me! God has clearly gifted you in this way. But today you absolutely made my day when you wrote:
Tom Cruise – You might want to rethink the medication thing.
I’m still laughing!! Thanks!
Ali
Brad Graham
Your sight was forwarded to me by my brother. I’ll have to thank him for that. 🙂 Only had time to read a couple of the blogs but I really appreciated your insight. Thank you for sharing your gift.
Thom Ingram
Thank you for sharing this web site with the rest of us. I love it. It’s real world stuff that you can share with non-christians.
Alena
you have very nice guestbook and website
Joydale
I always get excited when I hear that story you wrote about that was related by T. Campolo. “It is only Friday, but Sunday is coming!” Praise the Lord! Thanks again for your encouragement, Dave.
Patrick Brucoli
Hello Dave,
If I had know you were this good of a pensmith I would have purchased your book. All I can say is I really enjoy your website.
Thanks,
Pat
L&B Barnes
We’ve just finished reading your book “Bring ’em Back Alive”. It has been salve for our wounded hearts. We’re recommending it to everyone we can. Look forward to reading “Bad Christians”. We love your sense of humour and openness. Also enjoy reading your blog.Keep on writing!
laurie (and Jim) thames
Dave ( and Joni) just have read through some of your journaling over the past few days etc. Joni – I so enjoyed talking with you at the shower, to a fellow sister in this journey of cancer. If there are any questions etc. just give me a call or email me at above address. There are lots of little things with questions that do come up. Reading your journal entries about the cancer I could relate to so much of what you all have experienced with this. KNOW I will be thinking of you each and every day and praying for you- you are on the list now. If you want someone to go to chemo or wig shops etc. I would be more than happy to go if you want. You may already have people in place for this but know I am more than willing and know exactly what you will go through. We have a website also if you want to read through some of the stuff we have already gone through in every aspect of the chemo and how I reacted etc. Our website (which Jim writes for me) is http://www.lauriethames.blogspot.com It is our way to keep up with it all and have a history for ourselves in the midst of a time we may not remember it all b/c there is too much to remember and to share with others what God is doing and let them know how things are going. But God has been so good and continues to be- He is my REFUGE, STRENGTH – encouraging me to be courageous and not to be dismayed. I hold on to that making very tangible choices in my outlook and attitude each and every day – not to say you deny any of it and that there will be up and down days and that is ok but mostly God is still soo soo good. Thanks for letting me read a great website! In His love- Laurie Thames
bdsm
Very good site! I like it! Thanks!
A S Hodel
Mr. Burchett – your weblog is always a great encouragement. It carries the a certain “real life” character that I think even my mom would have enjoyed.
Warts and all, your writing is a regularly needed kick-in-the-rear for me.
Thanks!
Scotte Hodel
Nancy Moan
Hi Dave
I listened to you on Ktis, 900a.m. with Kim Jeffries. I always enjoy her program. God Bless you both,
Nancy Moan
Charles A Collins
We have a church called Mountain Springs here in Colorado Springs which has been a place of healing for many after experiences with “Bad Christians”. We went there out of an International Church of Christ (ICOC) and have found blessing upon blessing through freedom in Christ.
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.
1 corinthians 10:13 NIV
Mountain Springs was our way out of the temptations of legalism and exclusion of all but the “one true church”.
I grew up in Buffalo, and came back to attend Professor Kurtz’s SUNY Buffalo in Chemical engineering graduate school in the early 1990s. In my experience it is a spiritually draining place, and I became ill with cancer after only 6 months “back home”. I was 22 years old, and the only risk factor I possibly had for cancer was “stress”.
Kelly O'Neil
Want to read more. I spilled the ink today. Stained by anger and impatience.. and I think I was bitten by a few lust mites.
I will pray for Joni. Love , Kelly
Holly Burchett
Dave,
I love your words – and I love more that I can hear you saying them. I absolutely hate that you and Joni are going through this. I recognize that God has a plan – but that doesn’t mean that I have to “like” it. In this particular circumstance, I just don’t “understand” it. You and Joni are precious people in my life. I can remember praying for a Godly woman to step into my life from the age of 16. God took his time to answer that request, but when he answered it – I knew it! Joni is a consistent follower of Christ and she taught me the importance of consistency in a relationship with Christ. I don’t wake up at dawn to be with the Lord like Joni does – but I do make a point to spend time with Him everyday. She taught me that. This “cancer” journey would be easier for me if God had chosen someone else – but like I said earlier… I recognize that God has a plan. And…Matt and I are committed to walking beside you in this.
I love you both,
Holly
Nimitz' Lady
Thanks for your well thought out posts. They’re a bright spot in my day. Usually late in the afternoon when I feel like chucking it all. That’s when your posts remind me what’s really important.
Dave O'Bannon
Dave,
My name is Dave O’Bannon and I am best friends with Randy Swanson, and now I feel like I am friends with you. I have been reading your work for over a month now and I am amazed. You are so right on!! I will discuss me later with you, but I wanted to introduce myself and thank you so much for your heart and witness through your writing. I am praying for your family. God Bless.
Dave O
Randy Patrick
Hang tough, it’s testing time. Do us proud.
Christy Rodman
I heard a radio interview with you about “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” and picked up a copy for a friend who was turned off long ago by some narrow-minded (but possibly well-meaning) Christians. Nobody warned me the book came with a mirror… Thanks so much for such an honest, straightforward, and golldiggitydang funny approach to our real-life Christian responsibilities!
Dave Naber
I look forward to your new book. I think we all need help from each other , the wounded and the weak.. It has been a while since I thought about the wounded people that may be next to me in church. We need to do better, we are losing people, I am losing people. I want to be an example but am so busy with work and stress that if ever I am a good example it is done quickly. You have said some encouraging things and I appreciate that. I have been praying for encouragement and motivation. Thanks
p.s. Chris Rice is one of the best Christian song writers living! Mac Powell is pretty good too 🙂
Jerry Sinclair
Dave,
nice website and great bookcovers…I will try to get a copy of each.
I am a retired high school / youth referee (football, soccer, baseball, softball) and umpire. I love sports. I sell cars for a living and try to point Christian men in the right direction…when they will listen.
…Happily married to my college sweatheart for 35 years.
I am guilty of being “a Bad Christian”, but I am not shameful. I just had to pick myself up off the mat and start over at the cross!
God bless,
Lisa Davis
I have just finished “When Bad Christians Happen To Good People” and I laughed out loud so many times! You really ‘hit the nail on the head’ for so many of us. Like you, my husband and I have been hurt by the church, but still love it,and still keep trying. There are so many who have given up and just stay at home and I understand why, but, I know that Jesus loves the Church, his Bride, so we keep hanging in there. We have been involved in so many ‘movements’ in the last 5 years within the church. It seems now, that we have come full circle; back to the basics of trying to live our lives like Christ would’ve done on earth. Jesus’ words are ringing as strong today as they ever have to ‘love the Lord your God with all your heart and love your neighbor as you love yourself’. Also, ‘ You are know to be His desciples by the love you have for one another’. How can we expect a lost and loveless world to want what we have when they see us jealous, envious, and bickering amongst ourselves or more interested in our meetings than reaching out to the poor?
Thank you for your honest ‘take’ on things and for your much needed humor!
L. Davis
Joydale Plemons
I heard you speak at the ECPA meeting sponsered by Waterbrook Press back in January in Arlington. I was looking for some more info about you and stumbled on this blog. I have enjoyed reading the dialogue altho’ I don’t really participate in this stuff. I don’t think fast enough on my feet. However, i recommended my son-on-law check it out. Your books have been a blessing to me and my parents, so relevant and so personal to things that have happened to me and my family.
Now to why I was trying to find out about you I had a Question. You mentioned something about a church plant in Wylie? I have a sister who lives in Navada, (not far from Wylie) who is looking for a church. I thought maybe this would be some place she could check out. Would you let me know something?
By the way, I did find the note you talked about that your son wrote to you about his sister and God’s plan so refreshing and an affirmation to some things that I have been studying lately. Thanks for the stuff on Chris Rice. I have loved his music for years, even the cartoon song. I have had several friends request that I sing his Untitled Hymn for their funerals! I couldn’t believe it, but guess they were serious. I hope that I don’t have to do it.
Joydale Plemons
Brandi
How refreshing it was to find your site. An actual Christian who is real and authentic. God Bless you for your ministry, and may many people be blessed through it.
Royce Milling
WOW!! I guess I’ve been living in a glass bubble!! I was stunned to find out that Chris Rice’s little ditty about cartoons could be taken as anything more than a fun few minutes. The religious police must have a lot of time on their hands.
Thanks for your commentary. I’ve now been introduced to your writing and will look with anticipation for more.
Bill Kenna
Thanks for Post and Run Dave. I’m a pastor and don’t we also have this attitude? Then we begin to reflect it from the pulpit which makes the congregation feel victimized which then is reflected in their treatment of the pastor which then causes him or her to preach victimized, and on and on and on the deepening circle goes.
Early in my ministry I found myself getting caught up in this. Then I realized that I have not been through a fraction of the abuse that the fathers of the church and the Christ Himself went through. Then I began to question, ‘Why not?”
But now I am running on so it’s time to say…”Thanks again, and so long.”
Scott
Sorry Dave,
You can’t ring the doorbell and run in your own neighborhood. (tried it) We know where you live! I learned the lesson of forgiveness the hard way. After many sleepless nights tossing and turning over an offense, real or perceived, I became convinced that forgiveness is the only way to experience freedom. I have made it a matter of great effort to both offer forgiveness and ask for it from people I work with (many whom I did not particularly like) and friends and family. It is HARD to do. It goes against our very nature to offer or seek forgiveness. We want to stand up and rail against our attacker, demand our rights and proclaim our innocence.
The words of Jesus in Mark 11: 24-26 indicate that as a follower of Christ, forgiving others is necessary for our own forgiveness.
“Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”
Jesus is speaking to his disciples in this passage. If I call myself His disciple then I must take His words seriously. In orderfor me to have an unbroken fellowship with the Father, I must forgive those who have wronged me. I must also seek forgiveness from those I have wronged. The rights I long to defend, I must give up.
I do not know who has disagreed with you regarding forgiving those who have wronged us. They argue not with you, but with Jesus himself. Their prison of anger and bitterness, no matter how tragic the circumstance, is of their own making, and they are the only one’s who have the key. They will discover the the grace of Jesus when they learn how to forgive.
I hope they find that Grace.
Scott
philip Hodges
I just found your site. . . about time.
Thank you!
Carole Bate
I was serving in Russia with the Salvation Army when I first read your book WHEN BAD CHRISTIANS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE. I thought it was wonderful and not only loved the title but was moved and challenged by your words. My husband and I are now pastors at a Salvation Army here in the States. I was so excited to find your web site. I also was unaware of your new book. Looking forward to reading it.
Elsie Peters
What a dreadfully sad day it would be, to lose our battle to people like that!
My husband and I have been married for fifty years, have five children married {no divorces} sixteen wonderful grandchildren, who have all accepted Jesus. I believe that there have always been those whose eyes have been blinded by Satan, and who refuse to see God’s truth!.
God put us in families, and that is the BEST way to live!—
Donald Tobkin
I’ve just read your critique of Mr. Atalli’s view of monagamy (via Crosswalk). A cultural collapse into chaotic despair will come long before his anticipated view of the future. Chaos trashes the integrity of all living systems. The Old Testament tells of God “speaking in whispers”…… I think that we can know that truth goes about in quiet and patiently-confident ways. The rising chaos in our “post-modern” culture is far too “noisy” for people like Mr. Atallia to hear it. He chooses rebellion against listening for quiet truth. And so be that….. “we reap what we sow!”
One thing about it…. for me….. is some powerful affirmation of God’s own vital truth in these modern times……… watch what the popular culture is choosing to celebrate in “noisy” ways….. and you can readily know that there is no truth in it. God alone has truth, not these noisy ballyhoo celebrations and cynical proclamations. We can know!!
Thank you for your time….. Galatians 6:9. From Donald Tobkin
shimauma
Loving the website!! Keep it up
Jeniffer
I must confess your site is really cool!!! Great site, great idea, just all round great work, everyone.
d gaddis
Thank you..for the reminder.. =)
Erin
I’ve only just begun to read your work, but I am already hooked. Thank you for living out Galatians 1:10 in your writing. I confess I am a people-pleaser, which by definition means I am idolizing people and not worshipping God. I am fighting to be free from people-pleasing and to live a life that pleases God, that brings Him glory so that we may both share in the delight of Him and I may rest in His delight for me. I don’t want to miss out on God’s agenda because I am bound in chains to the human agendas around me (including my own). What sadness that would be. Thank you for sharing your agenda – it is well worth borrowing!
evelyn morris-harris
Did Paul who preached at Ephesus have a wife
Lori
Thank you, Thank you , Thank you. Your words were wonderful. I too have experienced the ‘bad Christian’. Before turning to Jesus myself I had experienced people who claimed to be Christians – these people made me not want to be Christian. I am not judging them and saying that they were not Christian – not for me to decide. As a non-christian at the time, it gave me a very sour taste for Christianity. I would say to myself, ‘self, why would you want to join the ranks of them if you have to be a nasty, judgemental person who thinks they are better than you.’
Happy to say that I had a Christian Mom who helped me and prayed for me for years. I now have turned to Jesus and I too want to try and live for and through Jesus til the day I meet him face to face. With his support and his love I know I can make it.
Camille
found your log by accident (?).
your comments about forgiveness were much needed
maribeth (Wisconsin)
Finally a voice of reason in all this nutiness about Chad Allen and the End of the Spear. It broke my heart to see how worked up everyone got about it, the movie wasn’t about Chad/Nate it was about the Wodonai and how the Lord changed them from a people of violence to a people of peace.
I pray Every Tribe Entertainment more than makes up their costs with this movie and that all this “stuff” won’t keep them from making more movies. I hope everyone who saw and loved this movie as I have will write to them and let them know. Plus go out and buy the DVD when it comes out.
The other thing that just slays me about all of this is when did being gay be a worse sin than gossip, being judgemental or anything else we may consider “lesser sins.” Sin is sin there is no difference in God’s eyes.
Thanks again for writing. I’ve never heard of you before but will check out our library and see about getting some of your books to read.
Peter Conwell Richards
Thanks for sharing Professor Romanowski’s artical on “Evangelicals,” I have also been taken back by our Christian brethern who boycott ” End of the Spear” which presents core Christian evangelism issues in a real world light, over the choice of casting someone who is openly Gay. While I could wish the casting were different the guy played Nate and Steve Saint well, and brought real emotion to the part. He may well be a misguided sinner (most of us are and some more obviously than some others) but he did a great job of getting the points across by which, we as Christians, want the culture to examine and be challenged.
Keep up the good work, Dave. I remain,
In His grip by His grace,
Peter
Buck
I’d leave a comment, but im on the way out the door to Auburn … might see ya there and i wanted to at least be able to say that i’d stopped in on the site if you were in AU today …
incidentally, i have a neighbor who recently got disenchanted in an evangelical drive-by (did i mention this?) …. anyhoo, he ran across a book of pentacostal leanings, (sounded kinda Gnostic in its way, i recall) and then made the mistake of asking a trusted elder about it … he was told that if he persisted in reading heresies he’d be in serious trouble. He said something to the effect that scholarship was a cornerstone of the faith … and so his status as deacon was revoked as well as the sunday school classes he and his wife taught …
at any rate Jim has grown from the experience, and it’s a startling transformation from the neighbor i first met …
Cheers!
If you reply and get spamblocked, no worries … i’ll add you in as soon as i see the alert!
buck
John Brown
As a “christian” man filled with hate, fear, anger, and especially lonliness, After the death of my child.
Thankyou for “when bad christians happen to good people”
David Turkelson
Hi. I really liked your review about the “controversy” about a gay actor playing the lead in “End of the Spear.”
I would enjoy talking with you more sometime. I am an aspiring writer, aspiring screenwriter, and Christian.
Robin Wonders
I found this site after reading your comment about Jimmy Carter. I appreciate the thoughtfulness of your comments. I have always thought well of President Carter, although admittedly I did not pay much attention when he was president, since I was pretty young at the time. I just knew he was a Christian and helps Habitat for Humanity. So to hear my president being attacked at a funeral by this man was pretty disappointing. The level of slander and unfair attacks President Bush has to bear seems terribly unfair and irresponsible. Thank you that you may help Christians do some more thoughtful debate, rather than going with whatever flow they are close to.
Fred Moore
This is a piece I wrote some years ago; my struggle still exists.
I’m not sure just exactly how to address my challenges so I’m simply going to state them as they flow. Carol and I have been visiting around some churches for the past several years now. We’ve set through the church orientation program at one in the not too distant past. Carol enjoys the service (where we go with some regularity) and so do I to some degree, however; I prefer a more traditional service, this is a little to Progressive for my taste but I tolerate it well. I’ve always been one for hymn books and organ music or even piano. I don’t read music well (mostly only a little) but I enjoy singing. In our current setting, that is next to impossible, since there is no music to follow and most of the music is quite foreign to me. It’s obviously an acquired taste. Carol is a musician and enjoys the program very much. The music director is obviously extremely talented.
I’ve corresponded with both the pastor and the associate; never got anything from either really but then I’m not a member nor did I pursue my queries I guess. I’m not sure I knew what I wanted anyway; and it’s obvious they didn’t know either. The associate was and is very responsive, the pastor on the other hand didn’t respond at all.
I was raised a Baptist in upstate NY and I was “saved” at the age of 9 or 11. I was however never baptized until I was far older, 25 or 27. As a young adult, I was very active in services, but then I was never sure if I was doing what was required of me, or simply going through the motions.
I spent twenty six years of my life in the USAF and retired in 1996. It all started with a letter from the president stating: “you’re cordially invited to attend our war”; I wasn’t much interested in that idea so the USAF signed me to a four year contract. I was so taken by those four years; I just stayed on for twenty-two more. I flew a desk for my entire career. That life style (being on duty 24/7) did not make church a priority and church service wasn’t easy as we moved every two or three years making it even more difficult.
I was married (just over seven years) and divorced. Carol and I have been married just over twenty years and they have been very pleasant years. Carol was my cause for changing to Presbyterian. A good change!?
NOW; with that little bit of history; you need to know too, I’m not comfortable with people who approach me with such extravertedness (if that’s a word). That is to say, new people and overly outgoing people. I’ve never considered myself an extravert and find the grip and grin at church Sunday morning quite disconcerting, and simply uncomfortable.
The pastor of the church was a teacher/lecturer and a fine one. However, he presented concepts in scripture that caused me to question my ever being “saved”. For example; the Lord’s supper. He indicated that you had to feel something each time you participated, or something inside of you just didn’t get it! For me this is simply a ritual of remembrance and to date there has never been a stirring in me. I fully understand the gravity of the symbolism and what it represents, however, I really do have serious challenges with it; if in fact, there is to be something internal taking place within me, that just isn’t happening.
I also have very serious challenges with children; I have none of my own and I’ve never wanted any, I simply tolerate those I come in contact with; For short periods! Carol had a teenage son when we were married (now a LtCol pilot in the USAF) and now there are grandkids. I find them tedious and quite frustrating (but they are not around since they live in another state).
Now, I know your sitting there asking yourself; what does all this have to do with me? My bottom line: how in the world can I claim to be a Christian with this baggage and these hang-ups?
I also feel no need to, nor do I have any desire to; pray publicly. It is most uncomfortable to be in a place where that is necessary or even required. I feel like prayer is a personal thing between you and God. I don’t wish to impress anyone with my eloquent oratory in a public forum to demonstrate my faith. God is the one who is being addressed not the assembled masses. This too concerns me. I pray as I drive to work on that frustrating freeway to Nashville, (selfishly I guess and not on a daily basis); I want to arrive alive and safe. I don’t feel compelled to pray before every meal or even before special ones (seems out of character to do one and not the other); again I just don’t do public prayer!
Part of my time in the Air Force was time spent in a place called “TURKEY”, two tours (about six and a half years). During those times I walked in the footsteps of Paul at Epheses. I also walked the streets of Pergamum, just to name two of the many many sites we visited in our years in country. Those experiences are very hard to comprehend now, living here; not to mention relating them to folks here who have never been outside the “BORO”. Our home too has the appearance of a Turkish home/museum because of our years there, not to mention our love of that gracious country.
I’m having a difficult time since my years in Turkey. I was raised thinking and believing, if you weren’t Baptist you were “wrong”. Well, now it seems more likely that was wrong in itself. The many friends we left in Turkey after living there over six years make me question my Christian walk even more. Who is to say Islam is “wrong”? How can it be that all of these people will parish? Why are there so many different religious faiths BUT only mine is the “true path” to salvation? How can all these others be wrong or worse, going astray? Don’t I remember something about “judging”, that’s simply not for me to do, and it seems to me, we do it against other faiths daily (even more frequently since Sept. 11).
Am I kidding myself? Can I ever have been saved? Do these things sound like someone on the right track? I never experienced any lightening; I never heard any thunder. I don’t feel like my heart was ever threatened from the forces of the Holy Spirit. I walked that aisle so many years ago mostly out of fear. I was scarred to death of what my childhood pastor called “eternal hellfire”. There was also a Sunday school teacher in my childhood who stated his case this way: “I choose to follow Christianity and you may choose NOT TO but if I’m wrong, I’ve lost nothing; on the other hand, if you’re wrong you’ve lost everything (eternal life)”! Even today, I fear going in the wrong direction, taking the wrong path BUT still, I feel no compelling urge to present myself for service. I know I’m as bad as the next person; but to my credit; I’ve never done the prison going to kind of stuff. That’s not terribly funny, when I think of ONE pastor’s sermons when he often compares us to Timothy McVay, no sin too much, no sin too little. They all rate equal billing. I understand the concept BUT what a tough reality that presents!
I break the law every day on the freeway, mostly to keep from being run completely over by speeding drivers. I swear like I’ve spent my life in the military; no excuse here, simply fact. I want to not do that and have prayed to stop. It however has not stopped, so you say, pray more! I know.
I’m looking at a daily prayer as I sit here at my office desk writing this:
Almighty and most merciful Father;
I have erred, and strayed from your will in my life.
I have too often followed my own heart’s desire,
I have offended your Holy laws.
I have left things undone that I know I should have done.
I have done things that I know I should not have done.
But; 0 Lord have mercy on me, your miserable offender.
Spare me, 0 God as I confess my faults.
Restore my soul as I repent my shortcomings.
Grant me 0 Merciful Father-
Forgiveness and help me to walk in the ways of your will.
In the name of Jesus our Lord, Amen.
This comes from Terry Waite’s (the Christian hostage in Lebanon) book; I’m afraid I’ve stolen it. I’ve also edited it to fit myself. This is how I feel about myself and what I feel I need to ask God for everyday, as if HE hasn’t enough “real” work to deal with. I’m very concerned about this and have trouble with it constantly. I guess I must be in pretty good company though; one of my favorite authors, “Phillip Yancy” has written of his challenges with his daily walk too.
Anyway, thanks so much for your time.
Best Regards
Fred
Mark Lovers
Hi Dave,
I came across your website as I was googling a few authors who have written about people wounded by the church and told some of the stories of the people whom they have encountered. I’m a student at Fuller Seminary in Southern California, and this is the topic for a paper I am writing for class: people leaving the church and/or dissatisfied with their church experiences who are still seeking to remain faithful to Christ. I am thinking about purchasing your latest book for both my paper and for personal reasons. You might be hearing from me soon…
Peace,
Mark
Lindsay
I just read your article re: The End of the Spear at crosswalk.com and your repsonse to the controversy of the lead actor and his choice of lifestyle. Way to go! You hit the nail on the head. I live in a very ‘gay friendly’ town of Key West and work with gay people. I don’t agree with their lifestyle by far, but to go in like a bull in a china shop preaching, I will have no hearing at all. It’s my desire they come to know Christ and leave their sinful ways, but I cannot condemn them, I can only show them Christ’s love.
I feel saddened that our evengelical community would cause more issues over this by boycotting such a powerful film. I agree with what you said about our reaction turning the actor off even more to Christianity.
Unfortunately, The End of the Spear is not playing in our small town or I would have been to the theatre the night it was released. Maybe I’ll get to Miami one of these days soon so I can see it.
Joshua Santiago
Hi Dave,
I am from Manila, Philippines. I am an elder in an Evangelical Free Church church here. I found your site bec I think CT quoted your reaction on the End of the Spear movie. I found it sober and Biblical and gracious. Just read your article on the Canine School of Evangelism (CSE) and it was truly heartwarming. Thank you. God bless you.
Josh
Janice
i found your website today by “accident” and was very pleasantly surprised. finally, someone who gets it. thank you—you made my day.
Debra Halbig
Love the book (When Bad C….) and I’m only on chapter one. Lost track of how many precious quotes I’ve already read. I’m going to give a copy to every Christian I know. Thank you for writing about a huge issue that is typically ignored completely.
Back to reading – I can’t wait to see what I can do to become less of a Bad Christian myself.
Thank you.
Debra Halbig
Matt Mills
Great website. Great looking family. Continue to hold fast the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. God bless you and your family.
Mark Bishop
I just got to finish “Bad Christians” 🙂
thank you. it is so nice to see that someone understands.
mark
Bob Shaw
Just read “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”. I will be recommending it to two groups of readers that I highly respect. I found your use of humor a perfect balance to the weight of material presented. A very thought-provoking (and ACT-provoking!) work. Especially appreciated your Bill of Rights for Unbelievers as a practical guide. Thanks for this very important, enjoyable, and provoking work!
Tina Comstock
Hi Dave! How refreshing your aproach is! So many see Christians as those bogged down by “rules.” Although we follow Christ, and are in the world, we are supposed to reach out to it, not be against anybody and anything that has anything to do with any part of it. In my teen years, my family started attending a church, and my mother grasped the rules and regulations better than anything else. I have found a lot to disagree with her on, like how evil Disney is for supporting the homosexual agenda. . . etc. As I am still forming opinions, I think I will adopt some of yours. We need to bring Jesus to the real world. Thanks for the encouragement and new perspective you have given me.
~Tina
Mel Stripling
My good friend, Earl Anderson, sent me the link to your website. I have been blessed. Thank you.
Sharon Bramer
Amen! “The Good Stuff!” When I was in Trisha’s transport room to heaven (otherwise known as the hospital room), the good stuff was: Jesse who she led to the Lord, her girls who love her and the Lord deeply, Mike who had so much peace and grace from the Lord, everyone there who was grieving their loss of a sweet one deeply yet grieving with such hope in the resurrection to know that we will see her again, singing powerful words of worship and praying to a real, ever-present God all around us in the room. That is “the good stuff!”
ddonandkathysullivannetlos
I have ordered some of your books. Some to read and some for gifts. God bless you!!!!
Charles Savelle
Dave,
I know I’m a bit late here, but I am excited to finally visit your site. Better late than never I guess . . . or was that better never late? Anyway, you clearly appear to be having fun. Press on brother.
Cheryl Spencer
Hello. I hope that someday I can share my own experiences with mean Christians. Not yet though.
I will own both books by this time tomorrow. I’d run out today for them, but no stores are open since it is New Year’s Day!
Shirley Duke
Hi Dave,
Love the blog! Ran into Joni this morning and we had a quick conversation. My book is out in March to the public. I’ll get you a copy. Have a Merry Christmas!
Shirley
Grace
Dear Dave,
In one of your blogs you mentioned something along the lines of “killing shrubbery” with your booksales. 😉 Knowing full well that you were joking (I hope?), I still felt the need to reaffirm what so many others have said before me: Thank you for writing those last two books! You have no idea how much comfort I received merely reading your words, God really reached out to me in my own time of struggling through “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”.
So once again, thank you.
Oh, and just so you know, you might not be ‘killing a lot of trees’ in the States, your book somehow managed to reach a 21-year old Dutch student all the way across the Atlantic Ocean to the tiny, tiny country (and oh so very cold at this moment!) that is my home. Quite an accomplishment, I’d say…
In Him, Grace.
Bob and Mary Word
We are looking forward to this next one, Dave. We have learned a lot from the first two and look forward to this next one. Maybe you should fly a certain airline more frequently as you could get a lot of writing done that way. 🙂
We keep you and Joni in our prayers. We love you guys and are very thankful for you in our lives.
Mike & Roseann Zammiello
Dave,
We are doing a book study in our Sunday School class at AXE Methodist UMC. Pam Klieber, whom we know you know is our teacher in class and I do fill in on occassion.
Pam is doing an excellent job in explaining your book, and we have some very interesting discussions
Your book, WHEN BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE is excellent with the topics you go into. Thank you for taking the time and effort to write this book. I myself am currently writing a book of a fictional nature, based on my past experiences. It is still very much in the works. Maybe sometime in the future I would like to contact you on some concerns I have as far as getting a book published. I myself wrote a book on banking in the 80s, which 20-25 publishers and Book Agents were not interested in. Hope to have better luck next time.
Sincerely,
Mike Zammiello
McKinney, TX
Scott Dailey
Happy Thanksgiving Dave,
I have been counting my blessings alot more here lately. A beautiful wife and four great kids are right up there at the top. Life is challenging at times with four kids, but it wouldn’t be much of a life without challenge. I am enjoying being challenged by your thoughts as well. By the way. What does blog mean?
Scott
Henry John Ashford
Hi Dave
I am writing from South Africa ,having just finished reading a copy of your book , “When Bad Christians …” I am now waiting for the book store to get me a copy of “Bring Em’ Back ….” ( After reading chapter 1 on the website)
Personally I don’t understand why you have received any negative feedback, but then perhaps it is because we too as a family have experienced the heartache of wanting to serve the LORD, only to experience the very essence of what you have written. Having come out of a cult ,it was not much fun to also experience the rejection so commonly displayed in God’s Kingdom.
I definitetly don’t have it all together, and God has shown so much Grace in my Life that I dare not criticise others in their personal areas of their lives, with which they struggle, and yet how easy it can be to slip into that mode. ( Told u I don’t have all together)
Keep those thought provoking writings flowing, as you take instruction from the Throne Room . God’s blessing be on your life.
Brenda Coleman
I am very excited about your website. As I read Bring ‘Em Back … I can see what others are saying. It’s a slow go, but I usually re-read a chapter twice.
I have had the most fun this year on our football weekends, partly because of your wisdom. Thank you.
You & Joni will be in my prayers as you travel to the Holy Land. (Oh, I expect to see MANY pictures!)
Peace & Love,
Brenda
Janis Murray
Hi Dave,
You’re so cool……no, you really are! I love your blog (whatever that is). I’m not up on all this new technology….I still have a watch that I have to wind everyday….no, really.
I hope you are doing well. Maybe we will do some games together this winter. I look forward to it!
See you soon.
Janis
Cindy Moore
Dave ~ What a blessing you have been and continue to be! I am very excited about this new step because I know God will use you in great ways to heal and further His kingdom! I am so grateful to have you and Joni in my life! You are in my prayers!!
Mark Massey
Love reading your ramblings! Very thoughtful…
From a fellow graduate of ADD University located in beautiful…
Hey, why is that dust remover can there? It should be in the other room.
Oh well…great reading your stuff…Your ramblings are getting raves!
Later my brother!
Mark
Norma Peyton
Dear Dave:
This is an awesome website. It is very easy to follow and really makes one want to check out all the links and read every word. I haven’t read your book yet, but am excited to get started on it.
After reading all of your accolades, I am honored to say, “I know this guy.” You truly are a very successful Godly man. Just one thing, you didn’t include “good chauffer.”
I wish you well with all your new endeavors and pray that you and Joni will be able to really enjoy every minute you have together. Enjoy each day and draw nearer to Him.
In Him,
Norma Peyton
Donna Conner
I’m looking forward to reading your book. I had some bad experiences in the church I grew up in but fortunately I have overcome them and I enjoy my church and now understand what church is for- to learn about and praise God! My husband also had some stuff happen that still sticks with him so he doesn’t go to church although I know he loves God- it’s a hold the devil has on him and a struggle for him- I look forward to the insights you have on this subject. I pray that it will be a blessing to you and all who read it.
Angie Keener
Dave, you always make me think differently–thanks! And thank Goodness that my Christian life is much more private–I’m not under the Christian community’s magnifying glass. We (and I’m including myself) are so hard on each other–graceless at times, casting stones at times, crucifying each other at times. I look forward to having you throw a few “curveballs” at my thinking!!!
Stephen Bramer
Dave,
I’m excited about this ministry for you. You can count on my prayers and support.
In His service,
Stephen
Daniel Pouesi
Dave. it’s wonderful to hear from you, again. You’re the only writer I know of that answers emails personally. I wonder if I may purchase an autographed copy of your new book, “Bring ’em back alive”? If so, kindly email me the cost with shipping and handling and an address to send a check or money order to. I thank God for you. “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” turned out to be a timely, thought-provoking, and eye-opening book. Soli Deo Gloria! Daniel Pouesi
Patti Calvert
Dave,
I just finished reading your Book, When Bad Christians Happen to Good People.
There is a schism in our Church at this time because our pastor (a woman) baptized achild of Lesbian parents. It has caused quite a stir by a “few people” It was right after this that I noticed your book that I had purchased, but never read. Isn’t that interesting?
d. s. mason
I have enjoyed reading “When Bad Christians…..”.
I like your writing style.
We are using this book in a Bible Study class at
the New Martinsville, WV United Methodist Church.
DS Mason
Stacy
I just read “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” and wanted to say that I was very impressed by the approach. A friend and I were just browsing in the bookstore and doing some reading last night when I found it. While initially I think I was subconsciously hoping for a book that would tell me what to do about some “bad Christians” who have recently hurt me, I was excited and surpried by how it took more of an approach that we can all fall into that trap. What we can control in any circumstances our ourselves. I really appreciate your book.
Andy Karplus
Dear Dave,
My wife and I just finished the “When Bad Christians…” book. I stumbled across it on amazon.com and after reading the excerpt about how you were treated by your church family after you have made such a God-honoring choice to care for your daughter, I decided I wanted to read more and bought the book. We both apprecited it. We sure can be a cruel insenstive bunch! Thank you for following the Lord’s leading in sharing your heart.
sincerely, Andy Karplus
FYI: you may have already corrected this, but I noticed that the number 0.00299% (on page 197 in my copy) is incorrect; it should be 0.299 %. (Actually I’d suggest rounding it off to 0.3% but at least 0.299 would be accurate.)
Michael A.Moore
I really enjoyed the books. They ministered to myself and I didn’t even know I had a problem. Hope to stay in contact, though I’m not very computer savy.
Michele Gilbert
Greetings in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ! I have just begun “When Bad Christians…”. I am in the second chapter and have already told my husband (who is one of two deacons in our church) that after the Bible, this book should be required reading for all deacons and pastors. (Wouldn’t hurt every other Christian I konw either!) I have to admit, the title is what made me pick this book up. We recently had a sistuation in our church where a new female member started gossiping about other women in the church, with the last episode of gossip directly involving me. So, in accordance with Matthew 18, I approached her one-on-one. She was unreceptive, so I “took 1-2 witnesses” with me (via email) and approached her that way. Now I am the one being shunned and looked down upon. To make matters worse, the pastor was the one to give her the information she used to gossip, information I sent him in a confidential email to my pastor and my deacons. Since he has not agreed to meet with me with my deacons present (the only way I would agree to meet face-to-face), I have yet to learn the reason why he felt it necessary to share the information with this new member. (Did I mention the new female member, been with us about 3 months now, is also our new church secretary and privy to much confidential information, available in various formats?) So, the title “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” caught my eye. When I get done reading it, and my 15-yr-old teenage daughter gets done reading it, I’m going to let the other deacon’s wife read it, then the other woman who was hurt in this gossip incident. In fact, I may just have to buy another copy to circulate!
On a lighter note, I had to laugh Sunday when our very-old-fashioned-pastor said that the wine in the Bible was not fermented, that it was “new wine”, equivalent to our grape juice. I wasn’t involved in the conversation, so I just smiled and shook my head. Why, then, does Jesus warn of getting drunk off wine? Last time I checked, you can’t get drunk off Welch’s, no matter how much you drink. Sick, and really, REALLY fat, but not drunk! I think Beth Moore, a Jew and prominent female Christian speaker and teacher, put it best. She said “I think when we get to heaven, and we’re sitting at the banquet table, that there will be wine therel. And all the Jews are going to raise their glasses and drink, and all the Baptists are going to be sitting there with their mouths dropped open and their eyes wide!” Well, not ALL Baptists, Beth! =)
Dave, thanks for your brutal honesty, awesome sense of humor, and your willingness to allow God guide your footsteps, without which I’m sure this book would never have existed. BTW – I have your other book, “Bring ‘Em Back Alive” on order. God bless you, your family, and your ministry. Look forward to meeting you in the Kingdom. Michele Gilbert, Pembroke, NH
Lesa Cox
Thank you for being so brave to address a well known but ignored topic. Bad christians and hurting people. Both of your books are well loved by me and if i am the only one that gets healed by reading them then you have done what God has planned for you. Thanks for taking the time to be honest and insightful. Don’t ever let the sour puss righteous-fakers tell you to lose your sense of humour. Thanks for being honest also about your ADD. I had to take medication after the death of my father and the drowning of my son , and felt guilty because i did not have “faith.” What a lie. I am so glad you mentioned something, because God led me to a doctor that told me i needed that medicine because my body was out of balance and when God healed me , i would no longer need it. Thanks be to God for Dr.’s that hear Him.
Thanks for you and your family that sacrificed time and money for you to write.
You just don’t know how much your books have meant. I have no pastor to speak of, so they have been a life line.
sheila stanfield
When Bad Christians… –
Great book! Very helpful in understanding the offended &
offensive Christian…sometimes we say & do the dumbest
things, eh? Guess that is why He is a God of grace, mercy, love and
most importantly, forgiveness!! Again, great book, looking fwd to
your next inspiration.
Villa Park, IL
Barbara Pement
Friday I was at the Life Way Bookstore downtown looking for the last copy of Nancy Lee DeMoss’s “Lies Women Believe and the Truth that Sets Them Free.” We couldn’t find it where it should have been and the clerk felt that it was probably misshelved. I came across your “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” quite by accident.
As I stood reading the first chapter, I became so furious that I bought it right away. I finished it Saturday night.
“Bad Christians.” Dave, you are too kind. Unregenerate Christians would be a more accurate description. (Or degenerate) But then you wouldn’t have been able to weave that catchy title. Before I go further, let me direct you to two articles by the Chicago Tribune (“Commune’s Iron Grip Tests Faith of Converts” and “Exodus From Commune ignites Battle for Souls” by Kirsten Scharnberg) which can be found on Rick Ross’s (a Jewish unbeliever) website: http://www.rickross.com
I was a part of Jesus People USA Covenant Church for 23 years, my husband 24. We met there, fell in love there (fortunately we were not one of the arranged marriages just arranged wedding dates) and had 3 wonderful children. We left July 15, 2000.
Kirsten Scharnberg was a sweet 20-something Lutheran whom I talked to at length about having a personal relationship with Jesus during a few of our interviews. It was important to me to explain to her the difference between the horror stories she was hearing from wounded ex-members and what real Christianity was supposed to be like.
There are many who have completely left the faith because of their experiences at Jesus People. Some have become Buddhists, some Catholic; some returned to homosexuality, some became homosexuals. While spending time at Wellspring (www.wellspringretreat.org ) I ran into a former member who was considering becoming a Mormon. Some have remained believers in spite of them.
I liked your book, but a few things really are disturbing. You do not seem to make a distinction between people who are really “bad Christians” who exhibit thoughtless behavior and people who most certainly are not believers at all. Perhaps you are illustrating from the lost person’s viewpoint. I had a Jewish roommate in college and she thought all gentiles were Christians until the year I actually became one and enthusiastically explained to everyone who breathed near me what it meant to really be a Christian!
I remember reading aloud some points from your book to my husband, particularly the incident in which Klansmen murdered a black man. “Klansmen are not Christians!” my husband protested. “Well, they tell everyone they are,” I remember replying.
In the early 70s I attended a Christian youth conference sponsored by Campus Crusade for Christ. One of the featured speakers was Rev. Jesse Jackson. I don’t know about you but even as a young Christian I was able to discern the New Age content of his message despite the religious sounding metaphors. When I brought my concerns to someone in authority there, I was rebuked and told “We need Jesse Jackson to open some of those doors for us.” I kept my further doubts about his authentic Christianity to myself.
A few years later, my best friend called me from Fort Wayne, Indiana greatly distressed. She was a reporter for a network affiliate there and had scheduled an interview with Jesse Jackson while he was there for some engagement.
During the interview at his hotel, he had tried to seduce her. She was horrified. Over and over she kept saying, “But Barbara, he was a pastor! He was a pastor!” My girl friend did not know the Lord at the time and it took some explaining to tell her that Jesse Jackson wasn’t all he was supposed to be. That recent little incident of his mistress was no surprise to those of us who knew him.
I am excited about passing your book on to one of my son’s teachers who is a very admirable young man teaching Survey of Literature. In preparation for Honors American Literature next year the students are reading “Things Fall Apart” by African author Chinua Achebe. The teacher talked about the “imperialism of Christianity” which irked my husband who has distaste for the indiscriminate maligning of Christians.
The political aspect of your book. I sure wish you hadn’t gone there. Credibility can be easily lost once you enter that fray. Even Erin Lutzer of Moody said during our recent elections that the Christian should never expect his answer to come out of Washington.
Except for Abe Lincoln who freed the slaves (and I wasn’t around to vote for him and if I had been I wouldn’t have been allowed) I am hard pressed to find any Republican President that has done anything favorably for the poor middle class, the nonwhite, or the disenfranchised. While I am glad that Bush funds and supports Abstinence Only education, I am painfully aware of the results of his cutting school funding and programs that benefit underprivileged nonwhite children. “No Child Left Behind” has just become a cute slogan with no financial backing to support it.
Perhaps someone could write a well researched book called “When Good Christians Happen to be Republicans or Democrats” By the way, I remember Jesse Jackson when he would decry that “Abortion is Black Genocide” – then he joined the Democratic platform and shut up about it. What another disappointment!
All in all, I appreciated most your well written chapters expounding on the hard things Jesus said. I am hoping those are the things that speak to the people I’m recommending your book to.
Thanks so much!
Sincerely in the King’s Honor,
Barbara Pement
bpement@northpark.edu
http://www.pement.org
Laurie
I am currently reading When Bad Christians Happen to Good People. There are moments of out right laughter for me…and yet…sometimes that laughter is covering the out right pain I remember from growing up in a church very similar to yours, Dave. Thanks for the book.
Lois Glessner
David McClay
Dave,
Hello. I purchased your “bad christians” book a few months ago. It really hit home on almost all the topics in your book. I had hand written about 4 legal pad pages in response to your first book however, I didn’t type it in yet. I had thought of chapters that could have been added that are areas that have left me wounded. One of the major ones is the area of what I call “Theological Bondage.” After you begin to notice it we are steeped heavily in it our Methodist denomination that I attend. A careful look at the book of Galations will bring theological bondage to light. When Paul references to not go back into bondage he is talking about not a bondage of theology and not necessarily a sin bondage. I think what he was trying to tell Galatian church is that you can’t make “Grace” fit into a religion of “Law” and expect things to not clash. I think this may be what Jesus was refering to when he talked about new wine in old skins, etc. Unfortunetly that is what happens in most churches. I don’t think they have a clue as to what Grace is really all about. Anyway, your book brought to mind how a recent pastor we had was rather oppressive with the congregation. Always hammering us on being there everytime the church doors opened otherwise it was a “vote to close the doors” as he put it. I had never had a preacher reprimand the congregation for not looking at him while preaching……we were not even allowed to glance out the window…and he even critisized looking the verses up in the bible while he was going through his sermon! He was extremely protective to the point of being a nuisance and called people who were coming part time to services….and mangaged to drive them away. I think a lot of his actions truly reflected his core belief that follows strict Armenian theology….that says, you can be saved and then you can still lose/give up/whatever your salvation and end up in hell. He pressed us so hard on church attendance and the like that I believe it can only be a reflection of the Armenian belief. Thankfully he has stepped down last year and we all breathed a sigh of relief. However, as your book stated….the damage has already been done. I am currrently trying to get as many people as possible to read your books..including our new pastor.
After reading your second book I noticed that you came right out and admitted the conclusion that I have been coming to for the past several months and years. And that would be that Fundamentalism is not necessarily a good thing. Fundamentalism has fallen into the “Law” side of theology and it can’t seem to get out. I am not saying that I am jumping on the extreme “Liberal” side of the fence either but I am trying to learn to not judge people as much (talk about a job) and to lose any self righteousness that seems to climb on board at every stop.
I think you could write a chapter on the following topics…or maybe ideas for a third book.
King James onlyism. I have wrestled with that mess for a while and finally adopted that I should read all the versions and learn as much as possible and not mess with that fight any longer. Its a waste of time and people are going to hell in the meantime.
Church Building issues: Never is there such a flare up as when church maintenance or new construction or building project prioritizing! I have been present in heated building meetings that led me to the conclusion that it would be best if the church building burned down so we can get our heads on straight and learn what the real priorities are. There is a place for fiscal responsibility….but come on.
Alters in Churches: This last pastor that I mentioned above was adamant about praying at the alter. I am more convince than ever that an alter has no place what so ever in a new testament church! Jesus was the last sacrifice. Somehow this old testament law ritual has made its way into our churches…….not sure it should even be there period. You mentioned “Mortifcation of the Flesh” in your first book……..imagine someone in modern times walking into a church building that contains an Alter for sacrifices!
Where does the Holy Spirit Live?: This same pastor along with some others that have stood before us have this belief that the walls of the church building are somehow more sacred or contain some holy essance that makes the building elligible for supreme reverence and fear! This theology drives me bonkers. To my understanding, God quit living in stone and wood about 2000 years ago, period. I can see it as a place to go to worship that is away from the hustle and bustle of life…..but to give it any thing more than an assembly point for the “real” church to meet is leading us back into bondage.
I could probably ad more topics but its getting late I have to get to work tomorrow.
Your books have been a great help to my view of theology and to fundamentalism as well to the priorities that we pile up that really don’t mean much.
Also, I forgot to mention that I live about 45 minutes south of your child hood town of Chillicothe, Oh. I am in the Lucasville area and Scioto County.
Again, Thanks.
David McClay
Deborah Lee
I listened to Dave on WBCL. I am going out today to purchase this book and his others. I need them!!!
Ron Graber
Just read “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People”. I bought the book because of the title and was not disappointed. You are “right on” on most things. My experince with “Bad Christians” during 30 years as a Pastor agrees with your book. I do take exception to the tone and content of Chapter 12. Maybe after re-reading the chapter I will sit down and express my concerns and particular disagreements. I am looking forward to reading your new book. Your writing deserves a wide audience.
kim lewis
still prayerfully licking my wounds from 34 years of “saved” Christianity and trying to find health, healing and reality in my walk with other christians. Have no idea still what a healthy church for me will be. Enjoying your book. thanks for writting it.
Melissa Burton
I just finished your first book. So much of what you said hit a nerve and needed to! Thank you! I was raised in church and love going. However, I need to hear what other people experience and how to better relate to the non-churched. I don’t want to be just a “good” Christian, I want to be contagious. Your book has helped!
Also, your remark about public school teachers being in a mission field…I was flattered to hear you say it. I have felt I was called to be a teacher, and I love my students. Christian school is wonderful, but we need Christian teachers in public school too.
Best wishes from the Bluegrass State!
Melissa Burton
Chris Fortner
I read your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” yesterday. I have been going through some personal issues, not with Bad Christians, but mostly issues of self-doubt and direction in life. You have an interesting site. I’ve bookmarked it for future reference.
Sheri Clark
Dear Dave,
My family has been members of a United Methodist Church for 15 years. Three years ago I was on staff co-ordinating a new ministry (after school care for middle schoolers) when we got two new pastors. They were not supportive of my program. When things got bad in the electronics field my husband had to lay off 200 people. This was extremely stressful for him. He started taking it out on me and my children. I have emotional problems. I was so scared of what I might lose in standing up to my husband that I became suicidal and had a nervous breakdown. I was immediately relieved from my postion which nearly broke me in two. The program folded a year later. This pastor lies in the pulpit, is manipulative, is not concerned about hurting peoples feelings among other things. My oldest son was very involved in the youth group and needed it. Now he is in college and we are trying other churches. It has been very difficult to let go of our church family. Thank you for your book. It has been difficult finding any help at all. Many points were very helpful. Especially leaving the revenge to God. My second son still wants to attend this church because he has been there since he was one. I go get fed elsewhere and come back to visit. Because this is still ongoing the forgiveness is very hard. Thank you for your ministry.
Bill Fenters
Dear Dave, I saw you on The Harvest Show (WHT) and was excited to get a book on this subject. I have been pastoring for 5 years starting a new church and have seen a revolving door spinning of people in and out of our ministry. We had one young lady that was helping with the youth in an assistant role that decided to start having her boyfriend stay over all night. When we met (with as much love as we could muster) to ask her to step down for a while until she could get her personal life in order, she was offended and left the church. It was learned about 4 weeks later that she was pregnant. Another individual (35 year old single man) working in the youth program decided that it was OK (after I had clearly taught the group against such practices) for him to pick up a teenage girl (15) alone that was at risk (she had a history of being with adult men) and travel 30 miles to his house where he lived with his 17 year old son. I met with this man (whom I had earlier led to the Lord) and privately discussed this incident with him sharing with him the dangers of such practices. I did not remove him, I did not attack him, I simply took the time to teach him why we must be careful of our actions. He was offended that I did not “Trust” him and left the church. These are two examples of where I as the undershepherd saw the danger of what may happen to the flock when the sheep were left to their own ways. I enjoyed this book (Bring ‘Em Back Alive), but believe that it doesn’t go far enough in the area of how to bring them back. How do you get someone to come back who is offended at sound instruction? John Bevere’s book on the Bait of Satan would be a great companion writing to this book. Then follow up with John’s book on Under Cover. Yes, there are people in ministry that can be (or come across as) mean-spirited and there are insensitive people in ministry that can learn from this book. On the other hand, maybe your next book can be from the perspective of Christians being molded into the image of God by rising above these “unfortunate” encounters with “Bad Christians” and perservering on in the church. Iron sharpeneth iron…… it isn’t always easy!
Bill Fenters
Dear Dave, I saw you on The Harvest Show (WHT) and was excited to get a book on this subject. I have been pastoring for 5 years starting a new church and have seen a revolving door spinning of people in and out of our ministry. We had one young lady that was helping with the youth in an assistant role that decided to start having her boyfriend stay over all night. When we met (with as much love as we could muster) to ask her to step down for a while until she could get her personal life in order, she was offended and left the church. It was learned about 4 weeks later that she was pregnant. Another individual (35 year old single man) working in the youth program decided that it was OK (after I had clearly taught the group against such practices) for him to pick up a teenage girl (15) alone that was at risk (she had a history of being with adult men) and travel 30 miles to his house where he lived with his 17 year old son. I met with this man (whom I had earlier led to the Lord) and privately discussed this incident with him sharing with him the dangers of such practices. I did not remove him, I did not attack him, I simply took the time to teach him why we must be careful of our actions. He was offended that I did not “Trust” him and left the church. These are two examples of where I as the undershepherd saw the danger of what may happen to the flock when the sheep were left to their own ways. I enjoyed this book (Bring ‘Em Back Alive), but believe that it doesn’t go far enough in the area of how to bring them back. How do you get someone to come back who is offended at sound instruction? John Bevere’s book on the Bait of Satan would be a great companion writing to this book. Then follow up with John’s book on Under Cover. Yes, there are people in ministry that can be (or come across as) mean-spirited and there are insensitive people in ministry that can learn from this book. On the other hand, maybe your next book can be from the perspective of Christians being molded into the image of God by rising above these “unfortunate” encounters with “Bad Christians” and perservering on in the church. Iron sharpeneth iron…… it isn’t always easy!
Betty Cyrus
I have truly enjoyed your first book! You have a wonderful gift in your insight and humor. Your book gives me hope once more that I will find the community I am looking for. I am one who has wandered away, and I have recently recommitted my life to Christ. I am having a real hard time with finding a church where I am -if not comfortable, at least not terrified. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Lord with all my heart, but I have some real issues with organized religion (hateful, judgmental, intolerant,just plain mean). Just when I thought I was ready to come back, realizing that I (imagine that) could be judgmental in a different way, we have the election and all the division that has accompanied it. I feel very strongly about not shoving my Christianity down someone’s throat. I believe God calls us to witness (noun) with our lives and I truly think we are turning more people away from God because of the apparant narrowness and stridency of the Christian right. Most of my peers don’t want to be “one of them”. I will stop there because I can really get on my soapbox, but your book was a ray of light. I have purchased your new book, because I really feel led to find my way back into a community of believers. I know someday the Lord will lead me where I can be of service to Him-I have my own experience to offer and it will be somewhere where I can be used best. I hope God speaks to me through your book on ways to reconcile my doubts and fears. Thank you for your obedience (see, you did it) in using your time and talents for the purpose of the Lord. Love your sense of humor. Oh, also, I am a life long Cleveland Browns fan-so I feel your pain and understand your commitment.
May God bless you and your family and Go Browns!
Linda Yeamans
Dave, I heard you on KDOV with Perry Atkinson this morning in Medford, Oregon and was thrilled to hear about Bring ‘Em Back Alive. About 7 years ago in a “revival service” the Lord in his quiet peaceful voice said, “Are you willing to be broken for me?” My heart jumped up immediately and said, “YES!; my brain said, “Excuse me, could You define broken???” Anyway, I went on to develop a rare disease and 2 chronic pain syndromes. I spent the first almost 4 years of my illnesses focused on learning to accept my limitations and looking inward. Finally, I starated taking those baby steps back to fellowship with the Lord. In those 4 years, however, all my Christian friends fell away. One, the pastor of a “home church” group I attended as well as my own church (the group was full of Christians hurt by the church who were not willing to go back), had said if the Lord did this thing, he would be with me every step of the way. I haven’t heard from him now in 3 years. Mostly, they are upset that I have not been healed. I was told by my “spiritual mom” I needed healing and was not trying to be healed. (Big sigh!) I have forgiven them and am praying for them, but I think this occurs more frequently than I had ever imagined; never thought it would happen to me. The Lord has revealed to me what I am going through is (being an economical God) both the brokenness he asked me to go through as well as chastisment for disobedience from a few years ago. He also told me he would not heal me supernaturally; that this was the path I needed to walk. I am absolutely fine with that (praise the Lord, they are chronic illnesses; nothing terminal!) and really have a hard time understanding why my Christian brothers and sisters can’t be too. For the last several months, the Lord has been guiding me toward doing something about the church’s attitude not only towards Christian illnesses but also about Christian attitudes towards people who happen to get into a life situation where they cannot work, have no income and have trouble paying their bills. Most have no outreach at all (my church will give $50 occasionally from the “Helps” fund). Thankfully, the Friends Church has a wonderful food pantry. So the Lord has burdened me with the fact people like me, formerly hardworking, self-supporting, who run into my situation have no place to turn and how different our churches are today from the first century church whick took care of their own. I don’t know where He is leading me with this, but at least now I know I won’t have to write the book because you already did! Thank you for that and I truly believe they are (both) something every member of every body should read (as well as the leadership). I am looking forward to reading them as soon as I can afford them! God bless you, your family and your ministry. Linda Y.
sherryl norah williams
i was glad to know that someone wrote about this. This is a wound that is very hard to cure. This bait that Satan sets is somethng that will and has destroyed many lives and families. It took me almost 10 years to not feel like someone was constantly pulling the scab off a sore. I thank God that i have been set free but my heart still hurt for those who can’t seem to go on. The book “the bait of satan”, helped me a lot and i am looking forward to reading your work to help me go after those that are wounded and and their “shepherd” has scattered.
susan owens
i am trying to read book, can’t access it?
i heard you on tv lastnight, am very excited to read your book!
god bless you very much for writing & sharing this!
your sister in the lord.
susan owens
Tom Kirby
Study guide?
Tyson Alexander
Hey Dave, I really enjoyed your book, I am a youth pastor at a church in Greenville, TX and a lot of my youth have been wounded by a past pastor at our church. Your book has helped me a lot to understand their wounds and minister to them in an effective and understanding way. I also shared this book with my mom who has been wounded by her church. Your a true lamb that roars, and I know Mr. Briner and his family are proud! Thank you,
Tyson Alexander
Dale Larson
Dave,
I enjoyed finding this site. Hope things are going well with you and the family.
Take care,
Dale & Elaine
Gary MN
Dave, I heard part of your AFR visit yesterday. I cannot guess the number of tears that I have shed because of (neglectful) injury. I became honest about a very severe mental health situation, and they were not prepared to reach out with any assurance. But God graciously sent other angels to minister to me. Several attempts at restoration were very short-lived. I currently can’t even walk into this church. I trust that as my wife and I look into your books, we will find some hope. Whether it is our former church or a future one, I hope that we can bring real-life education to those who are ready to be doers of what God expects of them. Blessings to you. Gary
Nick Martineau, Mound, TX
Dave, your book “Bring ‘Em Back Alive” has giving me vision in leading White Mound Baptist Church. Our community is full of church members that have abandoned the church and our church is going to make it a goal to lovingly pursure those that have left. Thank you for your faithfulness and your friendship.
Kevin Shelton
Hey Dave,
I’ve just finished “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People,” and I just want to thank you for your wake-up call for Christians to constantly look at behavior and attitudes and the effect it can have on non-believers. By ourselves, it’s almost im-possible to make a change, but with God, all things are possible.
Keep sharing the good news!
In Christ,
Rev. Kevin Shelton
Pastor of Discipleship
Good Shepherd United Methodist Church
Kansas City, Mo.
Kelsy Jones
I love you first book. It really open my eyes as to what really goes on around us.
ELDON PETERSON
DAVE, I HEARD ABOUT YOUR BOOK WHILE YOU WERE ON KTIS ON THURSDAY MORNING AT THE STATE FAIR IN MINNESOTA. (SORRY ABOUT NOT BEING VERY GRACIOUS HOSTS TO THE TEXAS RANGERS WHILE THEIR HERE).
THE BOOK INTRESTED ME, BECAUSE AS AN ELDER AT OUR CHURCH WE ARE WORKING ON TRYING TO CONTACT THE LOST SHEEP OF OUR CHURCH. I AM GOING TO BUY THE BOOK TO HOPEFULLY GET NEW IDEAS OF HOW TO BRING THEM BACK. ITS A
STRUGGLE TO KNOW HOW TO APPROACH THEM AND FIND OUT WHY THEY LEFT, AND
TRY TO BRING THEM BACK.
I THANK GOD FOR THE PASTORS WE HAVE AT OUR CHURCH, THEY ARE NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK THE TRUTH, SOMETHING THAT IS MISSING FROM SOME CHURCHES TODAY.
GODS BLESSING TO YOU, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. ELDON
ELDON PETERSON
Brian
Dear Mr. Burchett
I have almost finished your second book “Bring ‘Em Back Alive” and found it a very compelling approach to what I see as one of the biggest problems facing the modern Church. The church is the Body of Christ, if we like it or not, and we are the members of that one Body, if we like it or not. God does confound the wisdom of the world, none of us would have done it this way, but this “foolishness” does show the Power of God. I did not read your First book “When Bad Christians happen to Good People”; I did read the first chapter on your website. About your Daughter Katie may the peace of Christ continue to comfort you and your family.
Another title I might suggest for a sequel “When Good Christians happen to Good People”. Let me explain I have been mugged two times in my life one of them beat me up pretty good and chased me down the street with a shotgun. I have no problem forgiving them; they were nuts I was in the wrong place at the wrong time and so on. But when those who get close gut you it wounds much deeper and stays much longer. I have had Arthritis for years, Glaucoma and was in a fire that left me with third degree burns over 40% of my body. I remember every single bit of the pain, sitting in the bathtub as the dead skin floated up, the ride to the hospital, me laying on the gurney and looking back while they cut the dead skin from my legs and back. I would rather go through that again then feel the spiritual pain that can be inflicted with in faith communities. These faith communities are made up of the cream of the crop in most cases, but often are driven to a perfection that cannot be achieved on this side of the grave or the next. They are often so busy ministering they forget to minister and the church becomes a corporation or a factory, with the CEO Pastor, the board of directors and so on.
I have had one desire in my life, to follow Christ in service to others. I don’t think this is I because I am pretty much a bottom feeder in comparison to God and it is nothing but Grace that I do anything for anyone. For the last 22 years I have worked with people who have disabilities, so your story about your daughter touched home. I have lost well over 100 students sense I started and the grief is at times quite overwhelming. Faith communities do not deal very well with grief, it is often seen as a Character flaw or even open rebellion to God. My last experience with a faith community ended with a message being left on my answering machine telling me never to come back after some ten years of service. I do not think any of these people are evil, in fact my first response was to try to reconcile, a bad move on my part, but that was my aim.
What the Body, IE the Church needs help in is Honest dialog about issues, not Rhetoric or “one-linerisms” but in honest dialog about issues. I believe this would help a great deal. I won’t go any further in my story. I just know I am just so terrified of Christians now, I don’t trust the mechanisms any more. The people yes, but the mechanisms no. If that makes any sense. I wish and hope Pastors and leaders read this book, the sear loss of potential is staggering, and I do not think the Church can afford it with the storms that will soon be coming. May the God of all Comfort grant us the ability to Comfort.
Laura Rupe
Your book “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” is wonderful and it has really made me reflect on how I have been. Thank you so much for writting this book and will read your other one also
Sincerely
Laura
LeAnne Walling
Excited to read the new book your first book has been an encouragement to wounded christians I have shared the first book with. I am going get new book and share that one too! I have had to buy a few copies but it is a great investment for sharing with my fellow christians whom I love dearly.
Thanks again for writing about these things it is important to be able to understand these issues and remember we all fail that is why we have a savior. God Bless you and your family for having the heart to share parts of your lives as well through these books.
LeAnne
Gary
I change channels the instant a sports program comes on; I’m the liberal your mother warned you about; I’m gay; and yes, I am a Christian–oh, and by the way, the secretary of a church, no less.
Clearly there are quite a few differences in our lives. But in spite of our rather obvious differences I found your book a tremendously powerful breath of fresh air. I read it in a single sitting, I’ve purchased a copy for our minister, and I’m recommending it to every one I meet.
Juliemenov@wideopenwest.com
My maiden name is Burchett. I grew up in Eastpointe, Michigan with my 4 other siblings and a strong, Christan background. My nephew’s name is Dave Burchett and he is a gospel singer in his spare time with my niece Sandy. It’s just a coincidence that I thought you might find interesting
Ashlie
This book hit home on so many levels – challenging me, how I live out my faith, how I see the people around me. Thanks.
Helen Baugh
Dear Mr. Burchett,
I am in the midst of reading your new book,Dave. I am so very challenged by your message. We are in the middle of a church split.I have been there since 1968.It is very painful as you well know.Your book has given me hope.Thank You for your concern.
Domino Blaske, R.O.C. - Washington, DC
I have recommended this book to everyone since the day I began reading your book. I just so happened to have finished it on my birthday, June 15th. Of course you can imagine the emotions that ran through me finishing on that exact day. It is now the book of the month for July at my online prayer group. I could probably write a book on how your book has helped me. I had left the church for years because I didn’t like what I saw there. I even held on to some of the feelings before reading your book. I would love to hear from you sometime. The R.O.C. after my name stands for Representative of Christ. I think I learned to like that title better. Your book is awesome. Thanks!
Kandra Conant
I just finished your book last night and passed it on to my Dad who is a third-generation minister (thought there were plenty of sermon topics for him). Thank you for giving a honest and insightful view into the world of Christianity. Since I am a recovering preacher’s kid (I am a poster child of what can happen when people fail to live like Christ)I have been searching for not just rhetoric about what is wrong with the Christian society, but answers and how to stop the vicious cycle that destroys so many people’s lives. You have eloquently and biblically giving me solutions to my ongoing battle with pleasing people versus pleasing God. Finding your book in our local bookstore was a “God-thing”. It came at a time when I was contemplating leaving the “church” and all that it stands for. Your words have helped the healing process begin in my life. Thank you for being sensitive to God’s leading and allowing yourself to be a vulnerable servant of Christ. Continue your ministry for you are in great company (Yancey, Ravi Zacharias, Colson)
Jerry Bowen: West Milton OH
Dave…As a young and naive sinner, (who happens to also be a pastor), I have dived head first into your incredibly insightful, authentic, and honest book. Along with you, I have found Yancey’s work, (pretty much anything) helpful and life changing. Thank you for your candor and openness, may the church become what it was intended to be…a refuge for “Katie”.
God bless you brother….
J Li, Nottingham, England
I have drifted into this Website by chance, but couldn’t resist the title of your book and read Introduction and Chapter One in one go. Dave, thank you for your huge heart and humanity. I loved your writing, and I know it will make me look inside.
Janice Richardson, Elon, NC
Excellent Book. We are reading it in our young adult class at our church. We are finding that some of our young adults have been badly hurt so maybe this will help them as well as help all to realize how we can hurt each other. Great ideas for us to try to make sure we are not the “Bad Christians”.
Chris Childs Ft Worth TX
As someone who considers you a true friend I am sorry that it took me this long to read your book, but it was God’s timing not mine and it came when I needed it. The book is awesome and so are you. I look forward to the next one and will try to fit it in a bit sooner. I hope to make it out to the Ball Yard this summer to see you and the crew. My prayer is that if I can be half as good a director and mentor to others that you have been to me then I will be blessed. My love to you and your family..especially your knucklehead eldest.
Laura McKnight, Thibodaux, Louisiana
Dave,
Thank you so much for having the guts to put into print what some of us Christians have been feeling and thinking.
The book was refreshing. As an avid reader, there’s nothing I enjoy more than great writing on a great topic. The title of your book grabbed my attention, but I was afraid that, like so many times, I would buy the book and it would not live up to its title. I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the content in the book. Each chapter skillfully communicated thought-provoking and candid ideas and insights in an entertaining way. As a journalist, I especially enjoyed the paragraph about the “evil media” in the victimization section. Sometimes it can be frustrating to work really hard to bring fair and accurate news to the public, then attend church events to hear members complain about the liberal, evil media. If I wasn’t so busy striving for fairness and accuracy, I would play a violin for them. Anyway, I learned a lot from your book. I usually complain about the overpricing of paperback books, but yours was worth every penny. Thank you for stepping out on a limb.
Carol Goodman, Ohio
Dear Dave, I too have adult ADD and it’s a rare book that holds my attention and keeps me coming back and turning pages to the end. Your book had me, by turns, laughing out loud, wiping a tear, nodding in agreement, and muttering “ouch” when I saw myself in it. I belong to a Weightwatchers online message board called “Inspiration Soup.” It’s supposed to be for sharing encouragement on our weight loss journeys toward better health. But too often it’s a place of contention, as non-Christians are repeatedly, unrelentingly harassed by, ahem, “Christians.” As a Christian myself, I am apalled and usually stay out of the arguments. But when I see someone unfairly under attack, then I have returned fire, and not in a nice or Christian way. I’m afraid I’ve given as good as I’ve gotten in the sarcasm department. I’ve found better company on the board among the Wiccans, Pagans, and Buddhists than among the “Christians.” Now I know why, after reading your book (which was recommended to me by a Wiccan). The vast majority of those “non-Christians” behave in a more Christlike way than the Christians. The “fundies” on the board have had one positive affect – they’ve made me sit up and think seriously about what I believe. Thank you Dave for putting words to the thoughts I’ve been having. God bless!
John and Debbie Townsend, Inman, SC
My husband and I “took on” reading Christian books for our Lenten exercises. My husband read his book first (because of the interesting title), and he talked about it the entire time he read it. Of course, I had to read it, because he had found the book itself more interesting than its title. It made us think hard about our everyday actions as Christians and the role our church should play as we encounter other Christians and non-Christians. We, too, think actions speak louder than words; although you gave many examples of how to share the love of Christ with the world. It made me think of the bumper sticker that reads, “Love them all, let God sort them out.” Thank you for a book that truly makes us evaluate ourselves. Please write more.
Neal Pointer, Dallas, TX
Read the book while holding it in one hand. In the other, hold a handful of high-liter markers. Pick your favorite color to high-lite Dave’s humor. Make sure it has plenty of ink- you’ll need it. Pick a second color to high-lite all the insights you need to further research. Thirdly, pick a color (I suggest blue) that makes you feel good about yourself and high-lite all of those passages. Then pick a color, probably that obnoxiously day-glo yellow to high-lite all the areas where you (we) can improve. Maybe it’ll take two of those. Thank you, Dave, for your colorful insights and peace to you as you walk the path.
Rebecca Breckler, Sherwood, OH
Hi Dave, When I bought the book I thought I would ‘see’ lots of ‘other people’ in it. Instead I saw myself. A little bit. (well,okay, maybe more than I would like to admit.)
Ouch, Ouch, Ouch!
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
Blessings to you and yours
Lynette Woollaston NZ
Loved the book and now recomending it to all my friends
You have felt God’s pain at how we fail to do what He has shown us. I hope that it helps keep me on the path that He has shown me.
James M Sandbrook (jms@xtra.co.nz) Tokoroa, New Zealand.
Hello Dave, I have just finished your book, its great! It helped me with many questions that I had. Your effort will help a lot of people and I am pleased that I got a chance to read it. I have to admit I shed a few tears reading the book which is good, because to me it shows that your book reached me in many ways as well as helped me understand many things about Christians and being a good Christian. God bless you and your family!
Roberta Graham, Ligonier PA
I borrowed your book from a friend and could hardly stand it because I wanted to use my hi-lighter pen to mark favorite passages. I do that with books and articles that inspire me. Guess what! He gave me permission to hi-light and then said, “You can have the book.” One of the best gifts I ever received. I’ll be sharing it at our Women Renewed Retreat at Covenant Presbyterian Church in Ligonier, PA on March 13, 2004. I cried when I read about Katie. God does manage to give us some spectacular gifts wrapped up in love and heartache. May God continue to bless you and your family.
Richard Ortiz, Long Beach, CA
I can’t say anything more than what has already been expressed by those already on this site.
I feel it is important, though, to stress that reading what has been so well expressed helped me to accept the faith that I have and have always had.
It was ME who felt that I wasn’t “Christian Enough”, or, faithful to God and Jesus enough simply because I chose not to judge and condemn.
Now, I feel a weight off of my shoulders and an ease in my heart. Thank you very very much!
Brenda Antos Redmond Wa.
Thank you for this book, Dave. It touched more than any book has in a long,long time. I was once in the ministry for 13 yrs. Then my life and the lives of my kids took a big turn when my then husband had a “moral failure”. I saw how our lives caused so much PAIN in our kids, church and beyond. So I have been part of the Bad Christians and then felt the cold shoulder of the “Christians” because they had no clue what to do with us. I have not been a part of the church for the last 10 yrs. When we do attend I always end up very depressed. I love God so very much and want to walk the talk. I have a sense of new possibilities since reading your book and plan to buy 2 more copys for my now adult kids. Again thank you from the bottom of my heart!
Dani Bratton, Rockaway, NJ
I finished reading your book about a week ago and am still digesting it. I have been Christian for about 10 years. Along the way, I have found my greatest struggle to be showing grace to other Christians who make me cringe in their judgement and dismissal of anyone not already like them.
I was hampered in my road to faith by people who were disgracefully judgemental in the name of Christ, and my sister has been throroughly turned off to Christianity because of people who tried to scare and judge her when she needed love and understanding.
I have also been wounded by people who call themselves Christian yet continue to violate all the rules they use to judge and assess others. It’s taken time and distance to begin to heal, and I know God will help me forgive them.
I often err of the side of not speaking for my faith, because I fear having the same negative effect on others that some had on me. It was nice to finally read a coherent assessment of where we all fail, and how we can work toward being the light Christ calls us to be in the world.
Thanks for your efforts and your thoughts. It will help me move away from silence into honest and clear dialogue about my faith, with both Christians and non-Christians alike.
Terry Wilde, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Thank you for giving voice to what has been on my mind. The damage that unthoughtful “Christians” inflict on tender hearts is appalling. I think we can put some churches, and denominations in the same mix. And to add to the distress, too many believers are at a loss on how to apply healing balm to hurt believers and non-believers because they are afraid to confess that bad behavior happens by “Christian” people (unless they are from a different church or denomination:). Does the word dysfunctional fit? The church has been described as Jesus with skin. When the church deliberatly hurts another believer…it becomes very difficult to disassociate that bad behavior with Jesus. So, is the church…Jesus with skin on? I guess only true believers know. My prayer is as Jesus prayed, “Father forgive them, they don’t know what they are doing.” And that is the problem. They don’t think about what Jesus instructed us to do. “Do to others, what you would have them do to you.”
Sue Chappel, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Wow. I’m only half way through your book and just had to let you know that it’s amazing. You’ve articulated everything I’ve wanted to say for so long. I was on the floor laughing when I read Godly or Gaudy. I am definitely telling all my friends to read this book. It’s so good to know that I am not the only one who thinks these things. Are you writing another book soon? This is the one of the most honest and hard-hitting books I’ve read in a long time (and I’m a tough critic). Keep it up.
Graham Freemantle
I have just read your book and thoroughly enjoyed it. One comment – Have your ever contacted Benny Hinn and discussed with him your concerns with his theology or ministry? I think you should do that as he is a Christian brother and it is our responsibilty to go to our brother when their are serious differences of opinion. Graham Freemantle, Toowoon Bay, Australia. Note from Dave…
That is a fair question. Mr. Hinn has been confronted by several brothers in Christ and he has promised to change certain teachings and tactics. He has not done that. I believe his stewardship of God’s money is appalling. Mr.Hinn has not been forthcoming about that. It is a fine line we walk between being honest and being hurtful. It is my desire that my brothers and sisters in Christ use their resources effectively for the Kingdom of God. I pray that I have not abused that desire. Thank you for caring enough to share your concern.
Evelyn Alston
I have thoroughly enjoyed your book. I read it because I have a relation who thinks all Christians are a bunch of hypocrites and I was hoping it would help her to realize one shouldn’t judge Christ on his followers. Whether she will read it or not remains to be seen. Thank you for the many valuable insights you give. Evelyn Alston – East London, South Africa.
Earl McAllister and Mary Ruth Leslie
Dave, my father, Earl McAllister use to work for your father at Mead Corp. in Chillicothe, Ohio. Your dad contacted my father a few weeks ago and during their conversation told him about your book. I bought it for dad for Christmas. He reads the newspaper everyday, never a “book”, besides the Bible. He read your book in just a few days. Anytime I would call and ask what he was doing, he would say “Reading that book”. He really enjoyed it.
He thought you had another book coming out soon, but we have not been able to locate it. Do you?
May God Bless You and Your Family,
Earl and daughter, Mary Ruth – Piketon, OH
Dave Bratton, Randolph NJ
A former AIA Pro Staff, now serving as an Associate Pastor of Equipping (APE?), I’m thoroughly enjoying and agreeing with your book (while wincing at the same time, because I’m seeing so much of these truths in myself and the church).
Trish Matthews
Thank you for an inspirational book, which has helped to put my Christian walk in perspective. I finished reading your book last night and it has challenged me to look at my own walk; instead of judging those who have hurt along the way.
Michael and Birgit Wudtke
God bless you and your family. I just finished your book last night and my wife couldn’t wait to start. Thanks for the wonderful insights. The Holy Spirit really moved in me.
Nichola S. (Ontario, Canada)
Read your book in two days and need to read it again–slower this time!!! I have been seeking how to be a good Christian for some time now and had been having this feeling that I was supposed to keep one foot firmly in the “Christian” world while having the other foot firmly in the “secular” world. I was starting to wonder if this was my way of not making a full commitment to my Christian life like so very many of my friends do. In reading your book, I have come to understand that much more clearly the responsability we have as Christians to straddle the two worlds in order to reach one and be sustained by the other.
Thank you for your wonderful insights. God Bless you and your family. And God bless your Katie.
Teresa Gutermuth
Just saw a comment below that it all comes down to keeping our eye on Jesus and not on people. Just heard that particular comment this week myself. To my thinking that’s what weak Christians say when they don’t want to take the time to acknowledge sin in the church and themselves and they think making that statement will just make the problem go away. Just another example of the trite self-righteous “rubber-stamp” pat answers addressed in your book. I need to find my copy of your book and read it again. Haven’t attended church in awhile, although I do fellowship with other Christians, because I’m just so angry all the time. Perhaps you could put up some links to websites that would help the good people who’ve been damaged by bad Christians to heal from the damage. I’m looking forward to your next book.
Roger and Cathy Baker
We really enjoyed reading your book together – it challenged us and validated feelings from my husband’s upbringing in the church. So many “well-meaning” bad Christians helped turn his life away from God. Your book contains some of the same sentiments he has expressed over the years. As we were reading the book, he commented that it’s great to know someone else had the same thoughts and has actually put them into print. Thank you for the insight and validation.
Kakez-a-kapend Christian.
This was my first time to visit your website. I’m telling you that I’m so glad that I’ve visited such a website and it is my prayer and hope that you will find encouragement through what is written in there. As Ayron Haytt said already , I hope many of religious and non-religious friends will read and understand its truth.
God bless!
Ayron Hyatt
Great book. I hope many of my religious and non-religious friends will read it and understand its truth.
Ted in Albuquerque
WOW!! I…..or is it WE are not alone!! I am so very tired of persons doing things in ‘Jesus’ name that I’m embarassed about! Is there any potential that a study guide might follow?
Your book is a great companion to “Fit Bodies Fat Minds” by Os Guiness.
Gordon Meier
Very provocative! Touched the nerve of many significant issues in Christianity. I enjoyed your style–got some great laughs while I was being convicted at the same time.
Brian Anderson
Write More Books Please! My Study group loved this book. Although we did lose a couple guys that saw too much of a mirror image and couldn’t handle the truth. It has changed my behavior tremendously. I am a adult survivor of preacher kid syndrome and I would like you write more about that subject.
Mark Kral
Dave, Thanks for your book. Roaring Lambs has been my favorite book since I first read it 3 years ago. It has now been replaced by your tome. You’ve hit the nail on the head with it & clearly shown us (Christians) why we aren’t having an impact in our world. You’ve really challenged me in my personal walk with Christ.
Richard Hines New Zealand
This is the book I would have written if I’d ever got round to writing one. Now I won’t need to!!
Thank you for it, I have found it most encouraging that others think the same as me. I appreciate the fact that you have been constructively critical of the church, and that you never allowed your scepticism to slip into cynicism.
Thank you again; by the way loads of my friends want to borrow it!!
LeAnne Walling
I was searching for answers on how to deal with my bitterness towards my church group who negelect their members who experience trials that they do not understand or take the time to give love even though they do not understand the trial. I felt truly abandoned by my brethren! But through this ongoing trial my husband was saved after many years of waiting and praying and my kids continue to seek the Savior as they have grown. I am thankful for your book as it came to me at a great time of need. Bitterness does its own damage if left to grow. The book has been very encouraging and gave me new hope that I can live life with Christ without outward appearances and legality that keep Christians from growing or preventing them from reaching out to others who do not know the Savior.
Barbara, Garland, TX
I received this book as a Christmas present from a coworker. While I have run across my share of “bad Christians”, especially in the workplace, so much in your book has convinced me that my response to my experiences has not been appropriate either. I have been among the Unchurched for most of my adult life and am seeking to change that, as well as other aspects of my life.
Your personal struggles and challenges, as well as your sense of humor make this a very real example of how we can better ourselves and our missions. Thank you and may God bless you and your family.
Thank you for putting into words what I have been feeling for so long, but lacked the strength or desire to do anything about.
Blair Hamilton (Minot, ND)
This book was the wake-up call I needed. Each chapter got more captivating and convicting. I’ll admit I bought the book in May and didn’t finish until Oct. However fast you read is not the point, its whether you LEARNED anything, and I DID! I was challenged throughout the book and encouraged by it as well to stand firmer in my faith and know what I believe as a follower of Jesus. Thanks to God for giving Dave the insight to write this book. I have intentions of using what I learned to influence my circle of friends, some of whom need guidance as I did. I believe this book could be transformational for churches. However, it is too convicting for the faint of heart, and may not be well accepted by some, who would prefer just to be a “pew warmer” on Sunday morning.
Sonya (Mililani, Hawaii)
Dave, I read the first 60 pages yesterday and today I finished the book!! I couldn’t put it down–except during the 4th quarter of the Colts and Buccaneers football game tonight. I started reading it because just a few days ago I’d been hurt by people that claim to be my christian friends. I knew then how I was supposed to respond, but I was frankly finding it a little hard to do, so I started reading your book (I’d bought the book several months ago, but hadn’t gotten to it yet). What I read helped give me the courage and strength to do the right thing even though it hurts deeply. It’s almost comical that the week before in our home bible study we were talking about needing christian friends, but also being aware of the pain that can be caused by those same christian friends. It’s true that we tend to expect more from christians than others. I wouldn’t have been nearly as surprised or hurt by non-christians, but I expected a little more love, acceptance and loyalty from those claiming to be my “brothers and sisters” in the Lord. Moreover though, you’ve made me evaluate myself a little closer to make sure I’m walkin my talk and if not to ask God for help to change. Thanks for a wonderfully written and insightful book.
Nick (Euless, Texas)
Dave, great book. Little bit too gentle on those exploiting Christ to amass their political power, though.
Lindsay Rider
I got this book for graduation this past June and put it in the pile of other gifts that I received that day. When I opened it to read a few weeks later, I could not put it down. I laughed and I cried harder than I have in a long time. This book was what I needed to get out of the “Spritual Rut” I was having. The awesome power of truth and the nature of “Bad Christians…” sucked me in and forced me to get real with myself and challenge myself once again to really live for Him and evaluate my personal relationship with Him. Thank you.
Elizabeth Riddle Scott City MO
Understood your book, it seemed like I could have written it. (ha)Thank you very much. Maybe now I can forgive those bad Christians instead of calling them non Christians with self-serving Attitudes.
Emmy Ansinelli - Longview, TX (orig. from France)
Like so many before me… Thank you for loving God with all your heart, your soul and especially your MIND! (Too many brainless Christians running around these days!)
I found an exerpt of your book while I was researching examples of how non-Christians see Christians. I read the first chapter, I knew I had to get this book and read it. I’m slowly reading it (even though it’s a real page-turner) to make sure I take it all in. You could not have worded so many of my thoughts a better way. I was raised atheist. It was a real miracle for my life to be turned around in such a drastic way. Much of what you say is true. Before I became “part of the club”, I honestly thought that all Christians were hypocrites, stupid and weak. Come to find out that there are some that are actually nice, wise and very intelligent. If only my parents, brother and the rest of my “ex-world” would only see that too, but they think I’ve been brainwashed. All they see is that I’ve joined a group that wants to force women to have babies, kill gays, wants to force the dying to live and abolish science in schools. True, it feels that way sometimes. Less than a year ago, our “old” church was faced with a very bad situation; so bad that my fiance (then youth minister) had to make the decision to resign from his very fruitful ministry… So many people that we loved, cherished, helped turned on us and it hurt. This church was my family, since my own did not understand my beliefs. I felt torn away, weeded out… I can honestly say that it was one of the most intense pains I’ve ever had to go through. Everything is better now, we found a healthy (as healthy as they come) church, but it was rough for a time. I wish I could have been reading your book then… it would have helped. I read parts of your books to our new youth group in Sunday School, the kids enjoy it but it is sometimes hard to swallow for them too. They have been brought up in the Christian way of their parents and it’s challenging to break that mold. Anyway, I’ll quit rambling and congratulate you on the writing of this book. I am very thankful that people like you, C.S. Lewis, Hank Hanegraff, Lee Strobel, Max Lucado to name a few are able to communicate the message of truth so well.
One last thing… I wonder why your book hasn’t outsold “the prayer of Jabez”…..
Sherrie R. in Brooklyn
Hi, Dave, I just wanted to say I have enjoyed (WBCHTGP) a whole lot and find it rings true. You truly have a gift with words. As a lesbian Christian I have been as you might imagine dealing with the Gene Robinson situation lately. It is interesting that while fundamentalists are so quick to judge Robinson etc. and his having been called to a Christian vocation, we are hearing the same thing from those of the atheist/humanist/deist camp: “Why be part of something that treats you so badly?” they say and it is a tough selling point indeed. Sometimes it is hard to realize that for some, like homosexuals in America today, to pray “Dear Jesus, please protect me from your righteous followers” is a prayer we have to say constantly like a Buddhist mantra. BTW I like the sports analogies even though they zoom over my head. Despite stereotypes I’m not much of a girl jock. Thanks again.
Bill & Natalie, Wash C.H., OH
Looking forward to reading your book. Wanted you to know that your sister and brother-in-law have our love and support!
Bev Christian, Cooranbong, Australia
I have not yet finished your book, but already I have referred to it one 3 occasions in lectures and devotionals.( Hope you don’t mind) I am involved in teaching training in a Christian College and your words have really struck home. God bless you for having the courage to say it as it really is. This is a thought provoking book for Christian Educators especially as well as all Christians.
Harold Hanlin, Xenia, OH
Dear Dave, we have a discussion group from our church that meets twice monthly. We have covered several books and have been looking for one with a little different bent. I think we have found it in WHEN BAD CHRISTIANS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE. Our discussion on it starts tomorrow evening and we take a chapter at each meeting. Am looking forward to some interesting discussion and yes some changed attitudes, especially from yours truly. Our church is currently going through the Percept Re-vision Study. This book should be a timely help. Pray for us and God bless you.
E. HOWARD warner robins,ga.
Dave-I Just finished your book, what an eye-opener! This book should be mandantory for all Christians to read! I was blessed by When Bad Christians Happen to Good People, I think GOD has worked through you to reach the people that need the understanding that this book is giving to better our lives & our walk with GOD that is so desperatly needed in this world today. GOD bless you & I’ll pray for peace & grace on your next work!
Mechelle, Oklahoma
Dave – What can I say that others haven’t? I just finished your book day-before-yesterday and it was just the medicine I needed. I’m still recovering from an abusive system I had been a part of for over 25 years. It has been over 2 years since me and my family left the church responsible for this abuse, but after so many years of being a bad Christian and receiving bad treatment from Christians I realize it will take some time to drop that baggage all together. My load is getting lighter, day by day. Your book is helping set down several pieces – thank you. By the way – I’m the friend of Victoria J. and we are discovering wonderful things together along our spiritual journey. I’ll be emailing you directly very soon. Blessings and peace to you and yours.
Jane MItchell
Enjoyed your book very much.I got it after looking on the internet after fight with my non-christian daughter over the words “most Christians are horrible”. Got her to change to “some”.
Also my friend’s husband has been harrassed by “Christians” at work, the very people you talk about. She was going to make him a T-shirt with “Christians are my cross to bear” on it to annoy them, but I think I’ve convinced her to change it to “Bad Christians are my cross to bear.”
I read her the bits about the Mother Teresa doll, WWJD shorts etc. and we hooted with laughter. I gave out Testamints at work once (Anglican College, they got the joke)
I am not a fundamentalist or evangelical Christian (Anglican) so some of your requirements such as a rejection of evolution don’t ring true to me. Yes Virginia, you can believe in a creating God and evolution.
But those points and other denominational differences are WJSHTOT. Your basic message is one we all need to hear.
I loved your message of trying to live a Christian life and not forcing the message onto people, just talking when it comes up. And it has come up as you can tell!! I come from a tradition reenforced by the Mennonites who live in my area, of faith by example, so find evangelizing very difficult. I particularly liked you admitting how hard living a Christian life is!! How we’ve all been bad Christians.(I have irritated my friend at times,but she keeps coming back for more) Looking forward to your next book.
Jason Evans - Lakeland, FL
Dave, Bought the book and could not put it down. I am a Bible college student and I wanted to read a book written from a different perspective than a pastor or a professor. This was the medicine I needed at the right time.
Thanks
Shellie, Snohomish, WA
This book is very challenging and convicting. To take personal responsibility for our committment to Christ is such a novel idea. Thanks for the opportunity to revisit this in such a delightful medium. I started reading this book at the library but knew I had to add it to my home resources. Except for the election leanings, excellent job!!
Michael Riley - Columbus, Indiana
Dave – I purchased your book a week ago and have been really helped by it. I have been on both sides of the equation – I have been a bad Christian and I have been hurt by bad Christians – Guess that’s the whole point of the book – duh! Anyway, I really appreciate what God has done through you in writing this book. When does your next one come out?
Pat Hopkins
I purchased your book yesterday, and I have read two-thirds of, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” – Boy, I am one of those Bad Christians. I know the Lord drew me to your book so I could take a serious look at my own life. The truth hurts!
Melissa -Ohio
I am going to buy several copies of your book as Christmas gifts for my husbands family. I think they could learn a lot from your book. They claim to be Christians but they judge more and hurt people more then any Christian I have ever met. They do nasty things and then hide behind the church.
Victoria J.
Dear Dave, I absolutely loved your book! I couldn’t put it down for two days! I have recommended it to many people!
Some of my favorite lines from your book:
PG. 86-“The Catholics and the Lutherans have the lowest rate of divorce, perhaps because they can drink” LOL!
PG.86-Starbucks……LOL!
PG. 90- “bad spiritual hair day” LOL!
PG. 99- “that should bring them flocking in” LOL!!!!
PG.110- “Fixin’ a Place”…..is it in Texas?” LOL!!!
PG.111- Betty Ford Center/Juan Valdez Wing…LOL!!!!
PG. 162- 2nd paragraph….coffee…..LOL!
PG. 165 (cussing) “get your money’s worth!” LOL!
I especially love your sense of humor! I was also very moved and touched by Katie’s story, and I loved it at the end, with the song “The Rose” where you changed it to “Son’s love”- just beautiful! I hope you write another book SOON! I would definitely buy it! God bless you and your family! 🙂
Sheri Carlstrom - Fort Wayne, IN
I have never written to an author before, but I knew I had to let you know how much I appreciated this book. I heard you on WLAB-FM on “Conversations” with Melissa Montana (Fort Wayne, IN)and was intrigued by the discussion of the book. I ran across this book at a bookstore a few days ago (no accident) and knew I had to buy it. A few things I like about this book: The title, (eye catching and thought provoking before even opening it!)you continuous use of scripture in the book (reflects what God has to say, not just your interpretation of what God has to say) your honest and real approach to yourself, WJSHTOT – powerful! Your analogies brought a lot home(reading about golf won’t make me a golfer, attending seminars on marathons wont make me a runner, LOVED the one about Lombardi!) You did an excellent job of allowing me to look at myself and my sometimes judgemental/condenscending thoughts, words, tones. How will that ever reach people? I am the branch, He is the vine and if I can remember apart from him I can do no good I will be in better shape. I have recommeded this book several times already and will purchase it as gifts. Your words give us a nonthreatening invitation to look at ourselves honestly and how we represent Christ to unbelievers and those hurt by the church (us). Thank you for this book!
Vanessa
I am from Australia and this book relates to anyone who has been hurt or even led astray. Which is what I had been for many years. I had actually left the church because I needed answers to what had happend to me and my church basically told me that I was evil to think such things, let alone ask those questions. But now they have been answered through your book as well as through good friends who have never lost faith in our Lord and his Son. Thank-you so very much and may you always be the way you are!
Jerry & Leslie Burchett.. Oklahoma
Hello Dave
I bought your book several days ago and I can’t put it down.Reading through the book you are right on the mark! It has really opened my eyes and my heart to see how much I fall short. May God bless you and your family.
Sherry
Hi Dave, I checked your book out of our public library and I just finished reading it. Thank you so much for writing it. I used to go to church but don’t anymore. Your book helped me see some things I needed to. Thank you.
Betsy Willis
Dear Dave,
I love your book and have loaned it to my son who is going to pass it on to my cousin. I know I will have to buy another. Thanks for your perfectly stated insight. I have befriended a man at the cemetery where my son is buried. He lost his partner of 28 years and I just love this guy. He and his partner went to the priest for prayer for forgiveness of their lifestyle. He is hungry for the Lord and I am priviledged to be able to help feed him our Lords love and wisdom and kindness. He is on his way to a glorious relationship with Christ. Those that the church shuns like troubled kids, people in the gay lifestyle etc…are the most in need of Jesus. Love them to Him…Thanks for your great book.
Ed Maurer, IN
Bought your book yesterday. A terrific book! After pastoring for 15 years I recognized everyone in the book…even me. Thank you for being forthright and candid about us all.
Todd Miller, AZ
Stirring, soul searching, and powerful! Thanks for keeping my heart in my stomach and my mind on Jesus. Every once in a while (OK, every moment) we all need a little humility.
From one minister to another
Becky K.
Thank you so much for this book! About a year ago, I was hurt deeply by a person who claimed to be “annointed” (his word) to minister to abused women. When, during a particularly painful day, I wondered if God heard my prayers, this person accused me of “trashing God” and cut off contact.
When he tried to resestablish contact, I was wise enough to refuse.
Thankfully I had a group of genuine Christians supporting me, but I shudder to think what this man could do to someone who did not have that kind of support. Looking back I can see his self-righteous arrogance. He often spoke of his willingness to “forsake” family and friends “for God” and his “ministry.” I am sure he felt justified in turning his back on a spiritual weakling like myself!
I found out later that this is a pattern; I talked with another woman to whom he’d done the same and worse….and this man calls himself annointed!
Thank you again, for putting the hard truth out there! I am recommending your book to my family and friends.
Rick Ellsworth, Warsaw, Indiana
Dave, I picked up your book in a Borders Bookstore last week, knowing that I was preparing to speak to a church torn with strife and recently split, a church in pain and picking up pieces. Your book has provided much food for thought as I hope to minister to this body. Your book title is eye-catching and sobering. Carnal Christians. . . bad Christians. No difference! But the realization of how we can cause colateral damage to those around us is humbling and should drop us to our knees physically and spiritually. Thanks for your honesty and your humor in presenting poignant truth.
Lisa McCleese - Ohio
Just finished “When Bad Christians…” Exemplary! It’s been a long time since I’ve read such a practical and honest book on Christian living.
Mark Owens Thunder Bay, Ontario
Dave,
I never heard of you until my wife found your book hidden away on a shelf in our local Christian bookstore. It was exactly the right medicine for me! Thanks for validating my long held opinions!
Rick Smith - Boston, MA
Dave,
Well said!!
Joshua Heston
I like your website, your book excerpts and your style. It is about time somebody started talking about “bad” Christians…I’m one of them. And have watched a whole lot of them too.
Judy Gillis
Dave – the journey that birthed this book was one of blinding pain, enduring the bayonnet jabs of those who would seek to put the wounded Christian out of their own misery. Those who are hurting need help and support and encouragement from their brothers and sisters – but as you so eloquently pointed out, that is often the last place many of us have come to expect it.
It has been said, “Hurting people hurt people,” and it’s true. My husband and I were ostracized, shunned, judged, criticized and more, for having made some poor business decisions that led to personal bankruptcy. We knew we’d messed up. We thought that declaring bankruptcy was the worst thing that had happened to us – until we reached out to our brothers and sisters for prayer (not once asking for financial help.) After all that God brought us through I can honestly say that I’d rather walk over shards of glass than do it again, but that I’m glad God allowed it – because it showed us so many things, including how not to act, but also, more importantly, how bereft of merit each of us is, how we are all spiritually bankrupt and in need of God’s mercy, and how to receive that mercy and to pass it on.
That’s why we go through these things that are so incredibly difficult to endure, things that crush us so we come to God broken and undone. We lift up that brokenness to Him and He becomes our restorer and gives us the mission – to pass on what we’ve learned, to “leave a well in the valley.” This is what your book does. God bless you all!
Paul D. Powers, Founder, His Way Ministries. HisWay2Heaven777 @Y
Dave, Wow! Was my mind blown when I read your website! For way too long we have preached something that we haven’t either really believed or didn’t want to really commit to!
And that is being a real Christian by example, not by words!
Being a Christian, formerly part of the Jesus Movement, I have gone the whole gambit from the streets, to the seats, out to the streets, then knocked down off my feet! I have come to one conclusion, people need to find God themselves. There is NO formulated plan on How to Find Christ! It’s an individual thing, seeking answers to questions that God has placed in every man. Why God? Is He really real? If So Why is the World in Such a Mess? Why Does GOD allow it? When it is all said and done, its really a personal thing between the individual and God! “Going to Church Don’t Make You a Christian, Just Like Going to McDonalds Doesn’t Make You a Hamburger!” Its Time We Stop Playing Christian and become real Christians!
You’d Be Surprised at How Many Are Out There That Are Saved, AND Never Darken the Door of the Church! WAKE UP PEOPLE! WE ARE THE CHURCH! http://www.hiswayministries.us
Trevor Johnstone, Johannesburg, South Africa
Dave, I am the leader of a church cellgroup in Johannesburg, South Africa. We are just coming to the end of a challenging period of using your book as the basis for our study every week. Your insight and humour have given us a challenging new goal of becoming effective “in your face” Christians without offending those with whom we come in contact. What we found amazing was the similarity between your recommendations and the way Christ, Paul and the other early Christians approached non-believers. Christ showed them Love and compassion, not a scary picture of hell and damnation – that he saved for the churches! Thank you for sharing your God-given inspiration with us. We pray that the Lord will continue to Bless you and your family richly.
Eric Cravey
Your book is an inspiring reality check for Christ’s children everywhere. Yes, Christ wants ALL of His children to have the precious gift of salvation and your book poignantly shows us where we’ve judged others because the way God made them. I especially loved the chapter about sin and how the church has tried for years to remove sin from the world … zing, hit me between the eyes. We must all remove the plank from our own eyes first.
Godspeed.
Jean Nash, Sacramento, CA
I was an extreme example of a “Bad Christian” you wrote about in your book. I acquired my homophobia and hate-speech from Sunday sermons, then fell from grace and back-slid terribly. I have been both the prodigal and the older, self-righteous son and believe the latter sin to be worse than my prodigality. Thank you for a book that ministers to many people. I would like to have your permission to use your title as a title to a gospel tract I am printing from my computer. Many people who pass up traditional tracts will go, “Whoa! What’s this?” and read a tract truthfully entitled, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People.” Thank You and God Bless You.
dwesley@lwol.com
Saw you and your wife on James Robison on Christian TV.Appreciated your story and comments.We Christians need to hold one another to account,and not a pagan culture.I have been called a “False Christian” by a very hateful non Christian individual who does not really know what a Christian is.It is best we clean our own nest and not allow the secular press,hollywood,liberal politicians,and popular culture define who and what we are.God bless you.
mary vitukawalu
Great website will pass it along to my friends..thank you!
Will definitely buy the book so very interesting and true..
God Bless you & your family.
Denise Acorn
I needed to read your first chapter and will order the book or books. We have been treated unfairly by our Pastor and his wife with deception and unruly acts. We am having a hard time getting over it but God is helping us. We have decided that we are going to try and stay is our church if not for ourselves, our other brothers and sisters in Christ.
May God Richly Bless You and Yours, A sister in Christ Hope “Denise”
Barbara Delaney
I also saw you and your wife Joni on the James Robinson television program this week. i have always felt that what you say in your book is true. . .and am ashamed to say that I have to apologise to someone. Even though I am right, they are not Christians, and I may be the one God is sending their way. I have read the first chapter on your site, and cannot wait to purchase the book. I believe that every church should have this book in their library. It would be great if pastors everywhere would preach from it! Everyone has been hurt by those in their church, but I feel it is very important to forgive and to not run from church to church. People make up the church, and until we learn the message you have in your book, WHICH IS IN GOD’S BOOK TOO!, we will continue to hurt each other. I thank God for you and your wife, and I am so very sorry for your loss of Katie. When she told how Katie smiled and then was gone, I know she was seeing Jesus too. Thank you for being obedient to the Holy Spirit’s leading, writing the book. This would be a great book to use for study on Wednesday evenings, or in Sunday School. Our three children are all out of church today due to events that range from being very cruel to painful. I cannot tell them they are wrong about the issues, because they aren’t. Also, it is very hard to defend christians in authority when they do these things, and feel they are not wrong. We want our kids and grandchildren back in church so much. We are trusting God to mend their hearts and guide each to a church where they will feel God is in control. Thank you for listening! (I am going to buy your book for all three of them. )
Wendy
I saw you and Joni on tv yesterday morning. I was so touched. It is time for people to wake up. I plan to get your book.
Betty Ann Wright
I saw you and your wife on the James Robinson’s show
yesterday and I plan on getting the book. You were such
an encouragement to me in what I read of the excerpts from
your book. I also agree that we wound our own sometimes
killing them. An excellent introduction and I plan on
purchasing the book. Thank you for being authentic and
stating facts and issues that need to be dealt with. It is
a wake up call.
Arnold Jackson
The two of you are a great encouragement to the family of God. I am a jail chaplain, when I go to work 04/17/03 I will share your story with the inmates. I moved from Texas 04/29/99. I worked 8 years in Coffield Prison(TDCJ) I was a volunteer chaplain.I am in Banning Ca. God bless!!
Sandy Hogan
I just saw you and your wife on James Robison’s show
and you were such an encouragement and I am very interested in reading your book.
God Bless you and your family.
Susi Becker -- Susupetal@aol.com
I saw you and your lovely wife on a Christian broadcast station here in Oklahoma and cannot wait to get a copy of your book. I can somewhat identify with your experience with your daughter because I lost my first son. The doctors could/would not identify a cause of death and afterward not many so called “christian friends” would associate with me because I had “lost” the baby and they were afraid. However, a year later I had another son and he lived — then they were excited to be associated whth me. Amazing isn’t it? Now that I am older I have developed Endstage Renal Failure and again I don’t “qualify” for support from some but I know that I have more than enough support to see me through with the love and guidance from my Lord, husband and “good” christian friends. I cannot wait to read your book in its entirity as soom and I get a copy.
May the Lord bless and keep you. You and your family are truly a shining inspiration of what being a GOOD CHRISTIAN is all about.
Karen
Just saw you on James Robinson and read intro and first chapter. My husband and I were both saved as a child and raised in church and have been very involved in our church always. Raised 3 boys and 1 girl which at the age of 25 of daughter became an alcoholic and divorced in less than a year. We were so helpless and alone, even though we did have a few prayer time with her and members of church, and a few friends called there was still something missing. We felt that if we didn’t do what all friends and well meaning family wanted us to do that they knew was the answer we were “left” out. I know they wanted to help but couldn’t and their answers were not what we felt lead to. It was a very lonely time especially for me who was so use to being the helper, etc. but it was a blessing for it made me dependent on the ones I was suppose to and that was God and my husband. It’s like the church which wants to “reach” out says we want to help those that are going through the fire but not while it’s raging!!! Well, that’s when we need more help!!! We accept those that have made it through their trials, to be there to share and witness but you’re not any good until then, come back when you are “healed”. We are in a world of ALOT of hurting people and we all need Jesus!!! I’m anxious to see what the Lord has in store for our daughter, I’m confident of His Love. I’m looking forward to reading the rest of your book and to continue to learn so I can help, where we’ve been hurt.
Bill Daniels
I am already 3/4 of the way through the book and very amazed. I had felt pretty hurt by garbage in times past committed by my friends and brothers in Christ. I left my home church and haven’t found a new one. I have an easier time now with some hope after reading this, highly recommended.
God’s peace
Jennifer Matthews jem@iprimus.com.au
Yeah, G’day From Tasmania, Australia !!! (Where the Tigers and Devils come from)
Bonzer Book!
What “an eye opening, poke in the eye”!
At one stage in my Christian life I thought it was so cool to be as obnoxious as you could.
Then the Holy Sprit intervened!
I see both sides of my self in this book!
All budding American Christian writers take note from Mr Burchett in that he quotes from non-American sources, it’s a small thing but it helps us all feel involved, and that America doesn’t have all the answers. We so love our brothers and sisters in the U.S.A. and want to grow with them not under them.
I am writing a review of this book for “The Tasmanian Anglican”
Apologies.
Jess, Australia
As a 15 year old kid, I didn’t think I’d be able to get through your book- but I did, and MAN was it worth it! My family and I have had quite a bit of rubbish from churches in our time (in fact, from every church I can remember being at), and I was almost ready to give up on my faith, full stop. But your book stopped me. Thanks. I know it’ll continue to come in handy in the future.
(…It’s also quite comforting to know that there is a published author who uses brackets as much as I do!)
Tanya Morgan-Welch
Awesome book! Thank you for telling it like it really is! At a time when I was ready to walk away from my faith because of things that were done to me by “sisters” in my church, your book helped me see my way back. It helps to see that I was not the only one to experience such behavior ( Very similiar to how your family was treated by the church in regards to your daughter). It was by no accident that I came across your book! Blessings to you and your family.
Darrell Haun
I have just finished your book for the second time. I have my wife reading it now. It is still a masterpiece. I have, and will keep recommending it to everyone I can. I think you have written a very inspiring book that all Christians should read and take to heart. I can’t wait til your next book is out. Please inform me when its ready.
Thank you so much again!
Peggy DeWIre
Thank you for a well written, thought provoking book.
“When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” has something in it for every Christian. If we take off our rose covered glasses and look in the mirror we can see where changes need to be made in our walk so that we can truly show the fruit of the spirit to EVERYONE and reach many for Christ.
Ron Keener
I happened upon your book on the sale table of a bookstore (for $4.97, sorry) and could not have been more engaged by the title. Usually you write the author after reading the book, but I just had to tell you that if the promise of the books is as good as the title, I will love it.
My wife and I have come across employers who have professed to be Christian but their treatment of others (their employees) is harsh, demanding, mean, ugly, profane, egocentric, and, well you name it.
Two people we have encountered go to the same (society) church in the area, but no attempt to blame that church. Yet why do people go into the workplace and just display the most despicable behavior, and what is the employee to do about it–other than leave?
So maybe your book does not address just that thing, but it sure is a problem in society and in the church. Living out the true faith and example of Christ. Yes, jobs can be demanding, and each of us can get a little angry and bent out of shape, but the harshness of some professing Christians–aside from the many non-believers–is off the charts. I will write again when I finish the book.
Alexia Elson, Australia
Just finished reading your book and loved it. I feel that God directed me to read it as I’ve been anti-church for some years now. No more excuses – time to get real. God has a job for all of us and it’s time I stood up and walked forwards. Thanks for the push.
Sharon Siegel
I thought your book was great, I thought i was the only one out here with that kind of sarcastic sense of humor, ain’t it grand? Anyway your thoughts were much appreciated, keep up the good work. It will give all those with the right answers something to do.(snickering up sleeve). 🙂
Karyn Kearney, New Zealand
Great book, keep up the good work.
Cindy Tepedino
It all comes down to this: Man will fail you Every Time. The Lord Jesus Christ will NEVER fail you. Keep your eyes on him!
Mel Roxbury
I walked away from evangelical Christianity several years ago as a result of rigid, it must be my way, Christians. Being a minister, I was exposed to this not only from the pew, but also from other ministers and leaders. The emotional pain was great, and when a leader in a conservative church association forced his will on me in a dispute, it was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
For the sake of my emotional health and to be free from the tyranny of man-made rules and expectations, I will never return to it.
Dave, I hope you do reach those who inflict themselves on other Christians. I’m not optimistic, but am glad you are making an effort……………Note to Mel: I don’t know if you will check back here but if you do please contact me at dave@daveburchett.com. I would love to talk with you.
May God’s grace and love surround you. Dave Burchett
Samantha Williams
Really enjoyed browsing through your site. Lots of information and a nice design. Keep going!
Jon Rhodes, Baylor Univ.
WOW!!! An Emmy Award winner and an insightful Author, is there anything that this guy can’t do??? I finished your book and I loved it. I am going to be giving copies of it to my Family and some friends. It has been an insight into the way that I should approach my ministry. The only thing that perplexed me is why Charlie, Matt, and Brett received more print than Scott. Not saying that I would not have done the same thing but that is all that Scott talks about and I am tired of hearing it.
Rose Marie Rose
I was wandering through a Christian bookstore when the title of your book jumped into my field of vision. When I flipped to the back and answered “yes” to all five questions, I knew that I had to read your book. So far, I have found it to be inspiring and faith affirming. I especially want to thank you for sharing the story of your daughter Katie. It touched my heart, and I believe she was and continues to be the guardian angel of your family. God bless you!
Tray Tankersley
My wife, Alicia, and I found your book as we walked through our church’s (Fellowship Bible Church, Little Rock) bookstore. She recognized your name from when we attended Reinhardt. I knew Dave Burdette, but I had not heard of Dave Burchett. But now I have!! Your book sounds quite intriguing – we’ll do our best to read it soon. Give my best to Jeff Kinkaid, Kurt Horting, Matt Blackmon, and Kip Kreche.
Jean Williams
I am especially enjoying the reading of this book, as it touches a subject that is very close to my heart. I’ve talked to many people through the years, who “used” to go to church regularly, but were offended in one way or another. Examples: My neighbor went to a pentecostal church gorwing up, until the pastor learned that the daddy of the family chewed tobacco. She’s never been active in church since. I was visiting with a Mennonite fellow uptown one day, with the purpose of edifying him, yet he tried to make it sound like I didn’t love God because of my hair, clothes, jewelry. I could laugh that off, but I know this kind of thing can really turn people off.
I’m considering asking my pastor about me doing a study of this book. It is so vital that we reach the world with the gospel, in a caring and credible way. (That’s the primary part of our mission statement) We’re a church that often has about 750 people each Sunday. 8-9 years ago, it had 22. In our leadership meetings, we talk about how to get people to feel welcome and for them to want to come back. You have touched so many of the issues that we as church members have to address. We have to live the life that Jesus teaches, at all times. We can’t take Jesus’ message lightly, especially when the Bible says that people will know we are Christians by our love. To make sure that we do that, we have to get to personally know Love Himself, God. We have to have the compassion of Jesus, not the idolatry of narrowmindedness. Thank you so much for your book. I look forward to sharing it with others.
Rachel Armstrong
I am excited to hear/read more… a very pertinent topic for today. This “bad Christian” issue came up with a coworker just yesterday, and then I heard you on WAYfm today. I think I will read first,then share with my coworker next. Thanks!
Norman Raiford, Ph.D.
What a neat site, Dave! Even neater: your wonderfully on-target “Bad Christians” (!) I thank you for confirming so many of my own thoughts. Now I know that I’m not crazy–those well meaning Christians got the “mean” part all right with out the well part at all! Don’t let the critics get you down. You’ve told it straight…just like Jesus did!
Paul & Melly Wright
My wife and I are on our second reading of your book and at our suggestion our Adult Sunday School Class is using the book chapter by chapter for our discussion sessions. We have enjoyed the book and agree with many of your analyses of todays Christians.
Dan L. Flanagan
Dave: It’s great to re-connect. Thank you for your thoughtful Christian witness. I look forward to reading the whole book (and your new one).
Michele Ediger, Newton Kansas
Thank you for being a “voice crying out in the wilderness!” I’m especially convicted by the reminder that it only took a small ragamuffin crew of questionable characters, empowered by the Holy Spirit, to turn our world upside down, so what are WE waiting for??? Thank you for the kick in the pants! Blessings to all!
Stan Webb
Dave, I just finished this book and want to thank you for the blessed challenge it brought to me in my walk with God. Thank you for putting forth the effort to help us better reflect the true spirit of Christ. God Bless, Stan
Carol Smith
Dave, I am giving a book review of your book to a group from our church. My problem is I have bookmarked about half of the pages as important to share with them. I guess my best bet is to try to just read enough to whet their appetite to read it for themselves. I wish this was required reading for everyone who calls themselves “Christian”, (and for those who consider themselves a non-Christian also). I plan to buy more copies to give as a gift to my adult children.
Brother Fred
There is so much to say here. I don’t know if you’ll read this, but this book has changed my life. Thank you, Dave. I hope to see you in paradise………..
Note to Brother Fred, Just wanted you to know that I read all of these and I am humbled and blessed by your words. I will look for you in paradise if we don’t cross paths before. Blessings and joy to you,
Dave Burchett
Craig Dailey
A wonderful and enlightening read. Thank you for saying what, I am sure, many feel. By the way, any idea where I can find the Jesus “fish” eating the Darwin fish?
Bob Martin
Your willingness to be real really hit home with me. Since my dad pastored a legalistic church for years, I have been where you have been and am now, at age 54, where you are in seeking God’s watering in my sometimes wilting garden. Your book was an immense blessing to me and will be to those to whom I have already urged to buy it. I read it in three days and hope as a result that one of the thinnest books won’t be; “The things Bob Martin allowed God to do through him”. Thank you for writing this book and for being honest and real. Thank you for honoring your wife.
God bless you both and your children. I would ask a blessing for your dog, but like my dog, he has probably never made a decision for Christ.
Seriously,
In His Grace,
Bob Martin
Jon and Kim Collins
Kim and I enjoyed dropping in to witness the book signing Saturday with the hope of affirming you as both our beloved friend; and respected, insightful author. You were so relaxed, real and casual, in stark contrast to the “lonely, pathetic author I expected”, to use your own self-abasing internet venacular. You appeared to be thoroughly enjoying yourself as did we. I was particularly moved/impressed by the fact that several of your professional couterparts chose to honor you with their visit…that shouts volumes about your testimony and influence in their lives. My only real disappointment, and candidly, “regret” was that Scott and his buddies didn’t show up to pay their “respect”.
Thank you, for signing the two books for us. Although I had read the first three chapters last year, I very much enjoyed reading several additional chapters this weekend. I connected with you immediately as I reread your poignantly based descriptions of yourself. As I read your words I am challenged to accept the grace of God as an unmerited gift and to unprejudcially share that gift with others. Your writing style and content is real, provocative, easy to read, candid and convicting.
God has truly given you the gift of filtering your life experiences through a Christian world view-perspective and imparting those truths to other mere worms and mortals of which I am one.
I look forward to finishing the book in the next couple of weeks….so…..when do I pick up the sequel?
We are grateful for our relationship with you and Joni. Sometime we need to get together with our wives and pray for our kids.
Your friends,
Ray Leszcynski
I enjoyed the book and so did my teenage daughter. While it’s no big deal to her that I know an Emmy winner or a person who makes our televised games come to life, she’s really impressed that I’m in with a Christian author and we got a lot of dialogue out of what you had to say. I know you fully realize how tough it is for us old dads to make that connection with our teens and I certainly appreciate you for providing the means to that connection.
Chuck Hubbell, Connellsville PA
I am really enjoying your book and marvel at the courage necessary to point us in the correct Direction. I am greatly motivated by the implications of thinking about WJSHTOT. Wow!!!
Jeff Allers
Your book attracted my attention as I was in the office of Ron McClain, who once worked with you at Athletes in Action.
I borrowed it and couldn’t put it down. It is exactly what the church in America and every Christian needs to hear.
What makes the book work, and keeps it from a Dennis Miller-style rant, is your personal humility (the disclaimer is great!) Yes, God actually chooses to use sinners–aren’t we blessed?
Kelly Brock
A friend and I were traveling through Piketon, Ohio and stopped at the Ohio Candle Company. On our way we had been discussing problems each of us were having in our church. The only book for sale in the store was yours. I had no reason to be looking for a book but something drew me to look at it and buy it. Oh my! What God had in store for us both. We read the first 5 chapters out loud while traveling and God just so blessed us with His truth through the words He gave you to write. It was completely God’s will that we find your book. You are so “right on”. I pray that many more will stumble on to a copy. Thanks for your honest and “real” sharing. I just say “Praise God”!!
Mary Marasco.
I haven’t read this book yet but thanks anyway for writing it. Having grown up Catholic with all the negative connotations that goes with it, I didn’t realize how wrong I was about Christianity. REAL, TRUE CHRISTIANITY is a far cry from my first bad impression and is now a real gift in my life. I struggle with old friends and relatives who still react to those impressions. And I’m looking for gentle ways to deal with people I know who call themselves Christians but really are not. I’m looking forward to reading your book.
Debbie Simon
I caught only a very small portion of the KCBI program. Basically the last 5-8 minutes. That was enought to grab my attention. I didn’t even hear the name of the book. I had to email KCBI to find that out. It sounds great and I believe I will be purchasing at least one. I am thinking this book may make great Christmas gifts. Thanks for writing something real and helpful.
Nancy Komatsu
I really enjoyed hearing your interview on KCBI. I’m looking forward to the book. Sounds very timely. THanks for being a ‘winsome and contagious Christian’. 🙂
Jim Underwood
Greetings from Pleasanton, CA
Debbie Bower
Greetings Dave! Aaron and I are now settled back in Arizona and expecting our first baby in March!
Once again, I was just checking out your site and blessed as usual! I hope you and your family are well!
Dick and Lorraine Barry
Old friends for Mariners Bible Church in Newport Beach, Ca about 1977-78. We remember you being with Athletes in Action at that time. You were our Bible study leader.
My wife remembers helping Joni with your first boy.
We are really enjoying and are challenged by your new book.
gertie martens
Provocative reading material!
Tim Proctor
I heard you on Z88.3 inn Orlando today and couldn’t agree with you more. I look foward to reading the book.
anon
This book is a wonderful resource. A Christian friend of mine recently had a difficult encounter with another Christian at our church. It was great to be able to recommend this book as a way to comfort, heal and above of laugh at the struggles of this world. Thank you for taking the time to write and share this book with us.
Laurel Johnson
I heard you on the FISH recently. I was able to get ahold of your book right away. I am in the middle of it and it has already been an incredible help to me, both in how I have treated others (both Christian and non), and in my own Christian walk. I am finally starting to really understand God’s grace and heart for me.I have lived with a lot of fear for many years. Thank you with all my heart!!!!! Blessings to you from our Lord Jesus!!!!!
Mark Hanna
I am using your book as a guide for my Sunday School class lessons (middle aged adults). We are enjoying it very much.
Tedd Craven
I am looking foward to reading your book as this is the heart of the Father, to reach to those who have been hurt by our human institutions that bear His name.
Judy Underwood
Dave & Joni, Hey, this is really cool you guys! Loved the picture especially – though Dave’s witty words are fun too.
Love to you both, Judy
Toni Powell
God is Good!! I am currently experiencing a “bad christian” time at the hands of christian brothers and sisters. I heard you with Ted and Lauren on KFSG the FISH radio station in California at a very distressing point for me personally. I immediately went to your web site for counsel. Your viewpoint opened up my thinking! I am also a sinner and subject to being a bad christian. Thank you so much for the reality check!! I can only do something about myself not affect others by “playing in the mud” with them. Looking forward to the entire book. My local Family Christian Store was out (a good sign of popularity!) Thank you again for the perspective gained.
Don Nederburgh
I’m anxious to read your book! It’s been a subject that has fascinated me througout my Christian Life. About 15-20 years ago there was a book written by Franky Scaffer (son of the late Francis) I wonder if you were aware of it. It was called ‘Addicted to Mediocrity’ It took a decidedly more sarcastic tone than I imagine your book does, but you might be interested in looking it up.
Becky Hobson
I heard you on The Fish this morning and decided to check out the intro to the book. I wanted to cry! We’ve been seeing this in our church and I’ve heard my own family say they wouldn’t go to church anymore because of “Bad Christians”! Thank you for writing this. I hope I will be able to pass it on in my family.
Sheri Graff
Your book is very necessary. I just emailed you about what I am going through. I have been at my new church for two weeks as the worship leader and music director. God is giving me a new beginning.
Trisha Wilson
I heard you talking with Ted & Lauren this morning on the Fish. I look forward to reading your book. Thanks for responding to God’s call to speak this truth.
Kathy McBride
I heard you this morning on my way to work. Your book sounds like the kick all of us as christians need. I look forward to reading your book and passing it on.
Joanne Nuss
I heard you on 95.5 The Fish this morning on my way to work. I am anxious to read your book and am already thinking of who I am going to pass it on to. God bless you.
Dustin Ruff
I had the great fortune of running across your book at the library. I thoroughly enjoyed it and would recommend it quite highly. While some Christians are busy fighting very public but negligably important battles (such as the “battle to keep prayer at the start of ball games”) you have written a persuasive discussion stressing how we should focus our resources. I found your book uncomfortably thought provoking — you have forced me to look at myself in an all too honest way. Keep up the good work!
Brittany Rogers
I greatly enjoyed your book. It was wonderful. Things that you said really made me question why I do some things I do. I can tell that you have realy put a great deal of thought into your writing. With the greatest respect,
Deborah Kolb
I completely enjoyed your book. My sister gave it to me. We were raised in a very conservative preacher’s home and were witnesses to many of the same things. The difference between me and my sister, she chose to use your title as an excuse to blame everyone else for her not now being a Christian. I choose not to let anyone else dictate my relationship with God. That keeps it personal. Thanks so much for writing this book.
Kirsten
Mr. Burchett,I loved your book! I picked it up while I was in a Christian bookstore the day after I was DEEPLY hurt by the words of my “Christian” sister-in-law. Your great sense of humor lifted my spirits that day and you made me realize how important our actions, as believers, are and the consequences of those actions. I even got my husband to start reading your book! I look forward to your next one.
Sue Bryant
I will buy this book. I have read enough to know it is a tool we need in our hands to remind us of how important it is to speak with love and under the direction of the Holy Spirit, lest we wound a precious soul. Thank you for your hard work and obedience. I don’t think a book like this is written except in obedience to our Lord.
In His great service.
Sue Bryant
Erin Davis at esdBaylor@Yahoo.com
Mr. Burchett,
You gave my father (Brad Davis) a copy of your book, and while I was home from college (Baylor) this summer I happened to pick it up and start reading. Within the first chapter I discovered how great a tool your words could be in my ministry to others. I wanted to let you know that I will soon own a copy of my own (so that I can leave my father with his), and that it will undoubtedly be of great use as I have been called to youth ministry. So thank you for sharing your insight with those of us who need it most – may the Lord continue to bless you, your family, and all that you do!
Dalene Strieff
Dave–I heard part of your interview on WMBI and am looking forward to reading the sections on your website….then probably the entire book. I wholeheartedly agree with your “bad Christian” concept and can attest to being hurt by them and by being one at times.
I recently heard Dan Allender speak about leading out of our character that is marked by God, marred by sin and being re-made by Jesus’ death and resurrection. A further testimony that we need to live self-aware, vulnerable, transparent lives in order to be people who help, not hurt.
God bless your courage and efforts. I hope your book is read by many.
Faye Conner
I just finished your book-Awesome!!! I enjoyed it so much-
The issues you discuss are the exact things that kept me from living for God for so many years!!! Now that I have come back to Him- I do not want to be a “bad christian” that keeps “good people” from knowing God, and your book has been very insightful and helpful! Thank You!
Jamie Saukkola
Sounds great I will be buying the book!!
Buddy Harris, Preacher FCC Longwood, FL
Dear Dave,
Thanks for the boldness of your insight and your love for Jesus. Thanks for the display of your own frailty and humility before God. I did not feel like you were picking on the church you were saying church we have got to model Jesus to a lost and dying world. Thanks for your work for the kingdom.
Grant Haas
Hey I read your book and loved it! It is very true to our church. Thank you, Grant Haas
Theta Hall
Dave, you just came into our office, however, I really didn’t meet you, but I am at the front desk. I had no idea you were the author of this book! How timely, how perfect! I just have finished your first chapter here, having heard about it from Dave Evans. I will be purchasing it if possible this afternoon, as I am leaving for an overseas holiday.
Brianna, OH
Thank you for writing your book.
Irwin C. Gemlich
The open and honest examination of the institutional church is loooong overdue. I find Dave Burchett’s modest proposals for a sinner sensitive church quite appropiate.
Lori Lynn - CLEVELAND OHIO
Dear Dave, AWESOME AWESOME.. this book of yours hits the nail right on the head. I am a full time church worker and parttime DJ (the Fish 95.5FM CLEVELAND-OH Go BROWNS)who recently gave up her church worker job becuase i was burned soo bad by what you describe in your book. I never thought the experience could be soo painful. I hope to pass this work of art on to other people in my church body not to mention friends of the church i recently left. I thank you for writing a book that in away is like me, my style of ministry and helps me articulate better what some of my issues are. This is a fabulous book and im delighted to have read it. Can’t wait for the next installment.. or better yet bible study guide to go with… GOd’s blessings to you and your ministry
Jennifer Griffin - DET
Hi Dave, It’s Jennifer from the Rangers/Tigers game in DET.
When you showed me the pic of your retreiver, Charlie, on your website I noticed a heading that caught my attention. Then I recalled you saying to someone that they should check out your website cuz you had finished your book. Well here it is Sunday after the Orioles/Tigers game and curiosity has gotten the best of me. I have enjoyed reading the 1st chapter. From what I’ve seen thus far, you’ve done a wonderful job and have reinterated many thoughts I have had myself regarding the church and the way in which we all sometimes behave. Can’t wait to see what else you have in store. Looks like it’s reaching a lot of people. That’s a good thing. Take Care and it was a pleasure working with your crew.
Vickie Fortney
Dave, I heard your interview with Dan and Robin on 95.5 The Fish. Couldn’t wait to visit your site and now am anxious to get my hands on your book! I’m sure I’ll be sharing it with many friends and loved ones. God Bless
Stan Rhoads
Dave…
What a breath of fresh air. I too am a Christian and work in the TV business. And as a matter of fact I was driving home after doing a Ray’s vs Chicago White Sox game in St. Pete, FL and heard your testimony on MBN (WKES). Wow, thank you for setting a Christian example in a very non-christian environment. I’m looking forward to reading your book and also to meeting you when the Rangers come to Tampa, FL. May GOD continue to bless you and guide you.
Ginny Gomez
I read an article in our hometown paper on line- Chillicothe Gazette. I am looking forward to checking out your book. It is so true that some Christians act more like the devil than Jesus.
Onaga Thomas
I attend the Park East Church of Christ here in Denver, CO. I was at the library one day the the title of your book caught my eye. This led me to check the book out at the library and begin reading intensively. I think this is the kind of book that Christians especially need to pay attention to. I emplore all Christians to read this book and do a self-examination of their lives. I honestly hope that yourself and other Christian authors write more books like these that “tell it like it is.” May God bless you and your family.
Lynn Tuck
I heard you speak this morning on 95.5 in Cleveland, OH. Your words touched me. I was asked by my pastor to fill in this Sunday and you have been my inspiration. We are a house church and are always examining the “always been done” versus the “Best way”. We strive to reconnect to the church of the 1st century and to the roots of Christianity. May God continue to bless you and your ministry.
DEANNA HICKS
I totally agree with your “theme” and I am looking forward to reading your book. Thank you for have the courage to write it.
Mike Throne
Dave, the story in your hometown paper, the Chillicothe Gazette, will appear Sunday, Aug. 11. It should be on the Web as well, http://www.ChillicotheGazette.com.
On a personal note, the book is full of amazing insight and well-written.
Krystie Hite ~ Ohio
I am looking forward to reading your book ~ I heard part of your radio interview today on 95.5 The Fish. God Bless!
Sue Epling
I heard you speak on the Fish this am so couldn’t wait
to get to work to check out your website. I forwarded the address to my home so I can read the introduction and chapter one tonight. I am intrigued by what I have heard so far and can’t wait to hear “the rest of the story”!
Michelle Corrao Buchheit
I can’t wait to read your book. My last “church family”, including the pastor, turned their back on me when my husband filed for a divorce. When we were at court the entire church would show up to intimidate me and my mother (who would come with me to court). I had suffered from severe depression when I was married and the only thing I received from my church was gossip. I praise God that He returned my son to me and I won custody. My son is still having behavioral problems from this ordeal but he is definately improving. The Lord has led me to a wonderful new church that has supported and prayed for me through this.
Brian Wood
I truly have learned and have grown as a Christian from reading your book. I have recommended it to my friends. It really gets you thinking about your every day lifestyle and if you are doing God’s will or your own. Thank you so much for touching my heart and affecting my way of life. Is there a Jerry Bruckheimer movie on this book coming out soon? Just kidding.
Alene Eddy
Thanks for the links. Thanks for sharing.
Enjoyed!
Renee Ewing
I was drawn to your website from sowing seeds ministry. God led me here because I have been going through the same things and today our church is in real trouble. After reading the intro and 1st chapter, I can’t wait to get the rest of the book. Thank you and God Bless You!
Patricia
I just read your book that I borrowed from the library. It has made me realize what is really important in life- to love and to care about others. It has also made me a little upset with myself for being maybe too judgemental with some people who are hostile with Christians, and not loving them more. The Holy Spirit along with your book has made me realize what really matters in life-showing love and not hate towards Christians who have been hurt by other Christians before and for non-believers that didn’t get an accurate representation of Christ because of our (yours and mine and other Christians) hypocrisy.Thank you for making that clear to me. God bless you and your family forever and always! 🙂
Jim and Karen Kingma/Stonegate Sabbatical Ministries/Grand Rapid
My wife and I could write a book on the experiences we have encountered in the last 5 years with bad Christians. But you realize their is a lot of woundedness out there and many need the loving touch of the Saviour. But oh how hard it is to give grace and mercy when you have been so deeply hurt by those who name the name of Jesus.
Larry Davies
Dave, my name is Larry Davies. I’m a United Methodist Minister, former car salesman and all around unusual preacher. I just wanted to tell you that I’m 3/4 of the way through your book and I’m so impressed with your down-to-earth theology that I’m considering getting your book in quantity for my staff and leaders. We try very hard to not be the church you model so successfully in your book. Thank you for giving me even more reasons to beware. I write a weekly column that does much of what you do. You can check out my own web site at http://www.sowingseedsoffaith.com and if those writings can help your ministry in any way, please let me know. Since I have my own book, “Breaking the Peanut Butter Habit: Following God’s Recipe for a Better Life” I would like to figure out a way to work out a quantity purchase a swap or even have you come to Lynchburg as a guest. I just want you to know we are interested and appreciate your writing. Thank you for boldly pointing out our flaws. God bless. Larry
Roberta J Long - Tulsa, Oklahoma
Dear Mr. Burchett: My brother-in-law has recently been hit
by a Bad Christian. Happened to be the pastor of a church
he had been attending for awhile. He was learning more about God from this pastor than he ever has from anyone. And this pastor was secretly molesting many women and teenage girls in his office during counseling sessions. He
was a master manipulator. Charges were brought against him,
and he fled to another state and city….To Repent? No, to
start another church. I am sending my brother-in-law a
copy of your book. He is bitter, and his relationship with
the Lord is suffering loss right now. Thank you for writing
your book. Along with prayer, I hope your book brings
healing to him and leads him to restore his relationship
with Jesus Christ.
And after reading your book, my heart cry is, “PLEASE Lord,
DON’T make me laugh, DON’T make me cry; PLEASE Lord, CHANGE
me”. In His Love & Mine,
Belinda Wilson, Ohio
I just finished reading your book. It really hit home in so many ways. I know that I am going to have to reread it several times. I enjoyed the humor, but it wasn’t just the humor that kept me turning the pages. What you wrote spoke to my heart. Thanks.
Wayne McCoy, Washington
I just finished the book last night and all I can say is WOW! I appreciated the humor and the direct approach that the book offered. I felt myself convicted on many counts, but I didn’t feel “preached” at (make sense?). Definitely a book I will read again soon just to take notes and create action points in my life. This book will go on my re-read shelf right next to Yancy’s “What’s So Amazing About Grace”. I will be recommending this book to my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Kadi Mullins, Texas
I am seventeen years old, and after spotting the thought-provoking title of your book, “When Bad Christians Happen To Good People,” on my father’s coffee table, I decided to take a glance. I read your introduction, and immediately knew that reading the book would mean reevaluating myself, and my “Christian” walk. I layed it neatly back in it’s place, and thought nothing more of it. Now my father is away counseling at Church Camp, and I came across your book again, this time laying on the couch. So I swiped the book to “page” through and read what I was comfortable with. That was two days ago, and I am now finished with, and forever changed by your work. Everything from WJSHTOT? to “CSL” hit home with me, and made me realize (in the best possible way) how much of a “bad Christian” I have been lately. Your book was an emotional roller coaster ride for me. I laughed, I cried, I hated you, I loved you, and I became thirsty for Christ’s love and a deeper knowledge to spread His eternal blessing to others. My dad is reading the book bit by bit, with a group at his Church doing a series over it. I suggest he read it as much as he can, whenever he can, so he can start working on himself and then on others! I plan on recommending this book to everyone that will listen to me. Thank you for being so blunt, dragging me out of my “comfort bunker,” and opening my eyes, as well as the eyes of many other blind Christians. God Bless you! Fly With Christ!
Dave Burchett
Note from Dave in response to Mark (see below)…
I am currently working on a leader’s guide (a fairly simple version) that I plan to make available for download free of charge. It seems to me that if you buy the book you shouldn’t have to spend more money on another volume. I guess that is why I probably won’t retire from this writing business. I hope to have the guide online and ready to download soon.
Blessings!
Mark Waldeland
I don’t know one Christian (myself CERTAINLY included) who doesn’t need to read and heed at least several of the thought-provoking observations and admonitions in your book. I had to bandage a few gored oxen when I’d finished, but I’m buying 5 lending copies at Christianbook.com. I gave the copy I’ve just finished to the president of my congregation with recommendations that it be highly recommended reading for every member of our church. I hope we’ll use it as the basis for an adult Sunday school series. Do you have any plans to write a leader’s guide (a la Colson and Pearcey’s How Now Shall We Live?)?
Teri Radosti
We have been discussing relationships in our Sunday School class and your book just follows this theme. Your first chapter has definitely caught my attention on reading more.
Debbie Shearer
Good Morning! Heard you on our local 106.5 The Promise Radio station today and decided to buy your book!!! Looking forward to reading it!!
God Bless You!
Kathy Whipple
I have desperately needed an “official” description of my life’s experiences with the church. Being a “devout” protestant preacher’s kid (albeit an adult kid), it’s been very difficult relating to others in a comprehensible manner. Your book helped to formulate many of my own feelings, emotions, and shortcomings. My only hope is to take the things I’ve learned & you’ve helped to put into words to do the work that the Lord has been laying on my heart to do for quite some time. Thank you for stepping out on a limb and sharing these very poignant thoughts…I only wish there was a way to get all Christians, and non-Christians, to read some of your statements, let alone the whole book (especially some deacons and board chairs I have known)!
John Wesley Dowling, New Orleans (jdowlingjr@earthlink.net)
What a GREAT book!!! I have just checked it out of our library and can’t put it down . . . . we all have these experiences I am sure and I am seemingly daily confronted with these situations (unfortunately I am afraid that I have been on the ‘giving’ end more often than I would like to admit and for sure on the ‘receiving’ end what seems to be ‘constantly’!!!
Thank you for writing this soul searching and thought provoking “real life” experience!!!
Dave Burchett
A Note from Dave for Ashlie (see below) and anyone else who is interested….Yes I am in the process of writing a second book. If you are interested in being notified please go to the home page and let me know through the e-mail link. And thanks to all of you for the kind words and encouragement.
Blessings and grace!
Ashlie Sandoval
I bought your book recently, and it’s great! You did an awesome job and your humorous lines kept me turning pages for more. You kept hitting the nail on the head with all the issues and after I was finished reading the book, it gave me a passion to witness again. Are you planning on writing another?
Doug Hannah
Dave,
We just wrapped up our conversation together on the cell phone while you were at the Rangers game. I don’t know when you’ll see this, but I wanted you to know again how much I enjoyed the book. It has been a tremendous help to me spiritually and professionally.
When you do make your way to Nashville, consider the lunch appointment a done deal.
_____________________________________________________
Doug Hannah, Program Director
88.7 WAY-FM, Nashville
1012 McEwen Drive, Franklin, TN 37067
615-261-9293 x13
801-858-9731 (direct fax)
doug@wayfm.com
Diane Penza; dpenza58@yahoo.com
Hi Mr. Burchett,
I just started reading your book and I think it is great and
so to the point. The funny thing is I thought I was alone with these struggles, but I guess we all feel that way.
I know it will help me with my son and his negative feelings about Christian.
Praise God for the convictions of His Truth and thank you for this book.
Christine Montgomery
I just finished reading When Bad Christians Happen to Good People, I loved every word! It’s very true,honest and enjoyable reading. I look forward to your next book.
The part about Katie’s smile makes me cry everytime I read it, God really did bless you with her.
Thanks for your honesty.
Johnathan D. Evans
Dave…I can’t wait for your next book.
Neville Kiser, Taylor University student
Dave. I want to meet you someday. Your book is a masterpiece. It’s the first book since THE CASE FOR CHRIST (and that is saying a lot) that made me want to tell everyone I know that I read it and loved it. I can’t stop talking about it to people and have already rallied up 5 other people who are promising me to read it. What a breath of fresh air! Your sarcasm, humor, honesty and compassion bled through the pages. When you’re a guy like myself and a book brings you to tears (the part when you reveal why Katie was placed in your life) you know that it’s something special. Especially considering it’s all true! Ever since finishing this book, some of my friends’ friends have been asking, “Why is he so happy all the time?” I honestly believe that joy that I have is from Christ. But I also believe that God used you Dave, to reveal it as being possible to believe in and live out. Thank you for making my 13 year-old faith (since I was 6) come alive again. If you are ever around Taylor University in the school year, please come look me up. You made me laugh so much! And yes, I do believe that “cynicism” is a spiritual gift. (sorry if that is spelled wrong though–lol)
Jean Richard
I originally went to the bookstore to look for another book and when I saw the title of your book it hooked me in. I ended up purchasing it instead of the other book! I have read 3/4 of the way through and am very impressed with your words that act as a healing balm and a wake up call to my heart. My husband and I left our church after 5 years of guilt ridden manipulation. We allowed ourselves to be used alright! Our son, who has a disablity, was excluded and singled out within that church. Currently we do not go to church but are attempting to have God heal our hurt inflicted upon us and the hurt we have inflicted! Thanks for a “tell it like it is in love” book, its overdue!
Leslie Redwine
Mr. Burchett, Just read page 140 where you wrote you would probably hear from the faction that will sneer more than any other group. I DON’T THINK SO!!! I have truly loved your book and cannot stop saying to my friends “I love this book, you have to read it.” Your book was given to me by a friend because of some pain inflicted by a church and some self proclaiming “Good Christians.” The book is not only helping me heal but, more importantly, it is making me look inward to clean up the toxic waste in MY backyard. Thank you very much for putting into words what many of us obviously need to hear. May the LOrd bless you and yours.
Bill Fisher, Pastor
Thanks, Dave, for being authentic. Such a rare find among Christian writers today.
And by the way, if you get to Heaven before I do tell Katie I look forward to meeting her.
Don Pape
What a innovative website – with such a memorable url.
Dave, blessings upon you! May this book continue to bless and minister countless folks who have been harmed and/or damaged by the “bad” saints among us …that would be all of us, eh?
warmly,
your publisher!
Teresa Gutermuth
As a parent who very recently has tried to seek help for my mentally-ill daughter only to be treated with cruelty/sanctimony by a local church (which never once reached out to help us) and who accidentally received an email requesting prayer for my family (in a very gossipy tone) stating my daughter was “full of the devil”…it’s a wonder I’m still walking with the Lord. You’ve addressed things in a humorous and loving manner that have needed addressing in the church for a long time. I wish I could buy numerous copies of this book to send to both my saved and unsaved friends. (Need to send copies to the above-mentioned “Christians”, too.) Thanks for writing a great book! P.S. My husband just got saved this last week. I know it has nothing to do with the book, but I just wanted to share.:)
John Troxell Jr.
Your book has been a real boost to me and helped me see that there are other Christians who have similar experiences and frustrations with Christians and church. But more importantly, it has been an encouragement to address some of my own issues as well as try to pull together a number of books and their thoughts into a comprehensive worldview with the Bible as its foundation. Keep up the good work.
Peter Boumgarden
Dave, thanks again for your honest words that help keep me honest as a Christian
Randy Sachs
Your book was recommended to me by friend, Bill Jones…thanks for your words.
Paul Burchett
Dave, I want you to know how proud and honored I am that God blessed me with a son like you. I thank God and you for your book and the strong message it sends to the world. In Mark 4-22 Jesus said “If you have ears listen”.
Catherine Amber
Dave,
Like many others, I appreciate the content and style of your book. I appreciate the fact that while you tell the truth, you don’t have malicious intent and do humbly encourage Christ-taught compassion. The Pharisee issues in the church are an element of the whole struggle of “churchianity” versus following Jesus’ life lead. I am grateful for the tired and saddened message you were able to convey about the more flagrant falls of other believers and/or pretenders. My non-believing friends howl when I tell the the title of the book I was reading. That is actually helpful as I then got to read them portions aloud. If I had a spare hundred bucks I would be passing these out all over town. But God knows who needs these words spoken into their soul. Thank you for being His vessel.
Peace,
Catherine Amber Eugene, OR
Jennifer Alwine
Hi. I have got to say that your book, “When Bad Christians Happen to Good People” has got to be the best book that I have ever read. Thank you so much for being real and honest.
Joel Taylor
Dear Dave,
Thank you for a truely wonderful and divinely inspired book. It has truely touched my life. I absolutely respect your openess and honesty. I will never be the same. PRAISE BE TO GOD THE FATHER AND OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!!! My prayers are with you and your family always. Thanks again. P.S I love you with the Love of JESUS brother. GOD BLESS!!
Michael & Georgianna, Arkansas
Dear Dave,
Got your book one week ago, finished and passing it on to my wife. I pastor in Siloam Springs, AR, (25 miles west of Fayetteville. Fantastic! Fresh perspective, with boldness, conviction, compassion and insight. FROM THE PEW. Laity need to hear from someone who sits with them, or from someone they “used” to sit with. Pastors need to hear from the pew also. I’ll be using your material in preaching/teaching opportunities. Our town is in “Guinness Book of Records” as having more churches per population than any others (thats not a compliment given that we don’t have any greater percentage of people in church than other “Bible-belt” communities. Sadly, church growth is coming at the expense of other congregations (more sheep stealing/gate closing behind wandering sheep than sheep feeding). I have amusingly noted that new churches resulting from a split often have the names “unity, harmony or fellowship” in their titles. We are working through some inflicted hurts at our church. Pray for all to be healed as well as be healers. Truly “being et’ by a lion may be better than being et’ by a people.” If your are ever in our area, would love to visit with you.
Rick Jones
Mr Burchett,
I have known you nearly 20 years and I never knew that you were a Christian. But I did know that you were a devout, honest, and graceful man who cherished his wife,children, and double tall lattes.
You made me laugh (as usual), and cry, and think. The marks of a good read. I wish you the best of luck in spreading this wonderful message.
Peace
Steve Edwards
Your book is one that ALL Christians need to read. I think it will hit every one of us right between the eyes in one area or another. I just pray that we will all do something about the area that it hit us in!!!Please don’t let this be the last book that you write to us, we need more authors like you, who don’t mind telling it like it is, whether we like it or not!!!
Dr. Charles D. Watson
I’m a United Methodist layman in Little Rock and have just begun studying your book as a source for an adult Sunday School Class. I can say from reading about half of the book -in one sitting – that you have framed what so many have wanted to say and you say it in a most direct way.
Congratulations. I’m sure I’ll have more response after completing the study.
MIKE WALL
I did enjoy reading your book. I gauge a good book on not wanting to put it down, I found myself not wanting to put it down until I finished it. I am not an overly religious person as you know, but I raised a child that has God in his heart and has become a Minister (go figure). You raised issues that turned me from the church many years ago, maybe one of these days I will get back, but for now I will use Todd as my direct line. I compare my beliefs to those of the drunk and the member of A.A., the drunk doesn’t have to go to meetings. I’m a believer, I just don’t go to meetings. Again, I did enjoy the book and I am now waiting for the sequel.
Shannon--Chicagoland
What a fantastic read!!! I have seen so many arguments on an online religion debate board, and a lot of the anti-Christian comments have come from people who were indeed hurt by the not-so-Christlike behaviors of Christians. I’m recommending it to all the people who post there and hope it will make a difference. Your book was wonderfully well-written and very timely. Keep writing!
Jeanne Markham - Denver, CO
Found your book in the Tattered Cover Bookstore while looking for another book (can’t even remember what THAT one was…now see what you’ve done?). Loved the title, read the back and was hooked. In one trip back east, the book title brought up conversations on each of my flights. On my Chicago to Rochester flight, the woman I spoke to was a professor at a Christian college who decided she’d buy a copy and most likely assign it to her freshman seminar class, after I read her several hilarious and thought-provoking excerpts. I think this book may reach my siblings who have all been turned off from the faith by the church or Christians who “did them wrong.” I can’t thank you enough for writing it exactly as you did. I love it!! God bless you.
name withheld
Thank you so much for your book. I hope you come out with more of the same. We’ve been struggling so with a relationship and over the years have simply prayed, “God, fix what’s broken.” The other day while glancing through my recent CBD copy, I noticed your book title, and thought, “I wonder if they think of us as “bad Chrisians”, or “good people.” I just had to get the book to see. Reading it has helped us so much in seeing their side of this on-going conflict. God bless you and keep you.
Ronnie, Mississippi
Dave, thanks for your book. I look forward to reading it the second and third time also. A book that every Christian should own and take to heart. Thank you! Thank you!
Rob Levy
Hi Dave,
Ya know, I’ve got to admit, your a pretty interesting and amazin guy! Read the 1st chapter of your book here on your website and it’s pretty interesting, even to a semi-heathen like me. Looks like I might just have to break down and buy a copy. Even if I don’t like it, (doubtful) atleast I can say that I did and shame the rest of the Bay Area guys/gals into supporting the cause! Cherish working with you my friend. It’s truly a joy! Your video brother, Rob
Rev. Bob Brown
I enjoyed your book very much. This book makes me think about actions as a Christian. Also, I am suggesting that the leaders of our church read this book
Irma MacLeod
Amen brother! Tell it like it is! We all need to re-evaluate just what we as Christians are doing with our time here and how we treat everyone while we are waiting for our Lord. Time is too short. We need to wake up and really learn what it means to “take up the cross” and then get busy doing it!
RoseMarie & Drew Bohs
Hey Dave, We had a baby girl born with a facial abnornality ( tumors)that covered the entire right side of her face. Her eye was swollen shut and much more. You’re right that Jesus would not have rejected her. He showed us in her the blessing, the beauty, and His amazing Fatherheart.
Pastor Sam Bundy
Very good book. As a pastor, it’s great to read something that affirms what I already know to be true and have been preaching for several years.
John A. Sheldon
Dave
Thank you for the note in your book and the scripture(col.3:12-17) Both have made me more aware of the needs in our daily walk with Christ. I am glad you are Brad’s friend.
Brad has always been a joy in our lives, however no child is perfect. We are very proud of Brad and his family. We believe God is active there.
John A. Sheldon
Debi Standing - Minnesota
After reading what others have written here – I find it hard to say something that hasn’t already been said. I guess I can say AMEN to most of the comments on how much your book has touched my mind and spirit. I have been a self proclaimed Agnostic for many years.
I have a unique definition for my kind of Agnostic. To me Christian equaled believing in Christ. Athiest equaled not belieiving in Christ. Agnostic equaled not caring enough to believe or not believe. I felt indifference to Christ. Through your book, I feel like I can heal the wounds from Christians who have helped me become indifferent. I feel like I can finally have a relationship with Him again and open my heart and spirit to His love and guidance. I have also had to look at my own actions and realize that I can’t blame others for my feelings. I have some responsibility for those feeling too. OUCH!
I am making that healing journey though, and I thank you for helping to light the pathway so I could restart my walk with Christ. I pray I will remember your words and keep my actions representative of my own words and beliefs.
Thank you again and may God richly bless you and your family.
Ryan, Iowa
Dave, I am not only done with part one, and I am encouraged by your faith, humility, and yet your boldness to work for the Lord. God is surely working through your writing, and I’m thankful that you are letting Him. This book is an answered prayer so far, and while I know that it is not the book, not you, but God that is giving, I am thankful for your faithfullness in serving. I’m sure that you are keeping this in mind, I only remind you as a loving brother in Christ: with all the encouragement surrounding you, don’t forget the struggle, don’t forget the glory. God bless you and guide you.
Carol Porter Kusama
Dear Dave,
I’ll email you as well. I’m at Chapter 3 already and absolutley love the book!!!
J L Miller - Chico CA
Dave –
I finished reading your book a few days ago. I work in a christian bookstore, and we had received one as a special order for a friend of mine. I told him it was in, but he couldn’t pick it up untill I had read it. I have since recommended it to a number of customers who are dealing with issues of painful encounters with Christians who are a bit too “human.” I highly recommend this book not only for the wounded (almost everybody), but also for those who are beginning to realize that they have done some wounding themselves (again, almost everybody). Your use of humor helps greatly to disarm those who react defensively, but you do not let us rest easy when we should be ashamed of ourselves. Thanks for giving us (the Christian Community) another useful tool to examine ourselves and prayerfully ponder the consequences of our sometimes thoughtless and offensive behaviors and attitudes.
(By the way – John did get his book – I sold it to him at half price.)
Jack Edwards, Cartersville, Ga.
I just picked up a copy of your book today at lunch. I have already read the first chapter and could not believe what I read. It was if you had read my mind. I have been struggling with the same issues that you addressed in chapter one, but have been unable to verbalize the inadiquacy that I have feeling in my Christian life. I can’t wait to get home tonight and read some more. Thank you for writing this book.
Dean Fogg Lex, KY. dfoggtv@aol.com
I really enjoyed your website and the first chapter of your book. You have hit the nail on the head about a lot of churches and the way “Good Christians” think. I’ve also seen how 1 bad apple can slowly spoil the rest.
Lynell
I’m having to fight my husband for your book since you gave it to us. I’ve shared it with the gal I teach with, who was the leader in the church split that about kill my hubby and me 3 years ago. Your visit was so very timely – my only suggestion to you is to move to Pagosa, so we can give you more research material. It was wonderful catching up on old times – We pray God will allow our paths to cross many more times in the near future. Be assured of our prayers.
Judy Hanthorn, Mableton, GA
My spouse picked up your book at Borders because it was on teh tables near the door. I started to read it planning to be very annoyed with this person I was certain was going to point out that Christains are hypocrites who don’t care about anyone else and that you would not so subtly suggest that we just get along with others. So waiting to start ranting at this “there are many ways why are you people so special” author I began reading your book. That was last evening. Within the first two pages i realized 1) I probaly was going to agree with you and 2) that you are really going to make alot of other people furious. My spouse made me put your book down so we could go to the theater. This morning he suggested you wouldn’t want me to skip Sunday school or church to finish the book. As soon as we returned from lunch( we’re Baptist — church really doesn’t end until you’ve had lunch with another family or five)I was fianlly able to make them all leave me alone and finish the book. THANK YOU. I am ordering copies for several friends Christian and non believers alike. Your humor, honesty and straight forward approach really put into words the importance of acting on our beliefs.
Richard Davis, New Zealand
This has got to the best book title I’ve seen in years.
DLHarner
I came across your book in the library yesterday and started reading it this morning. Since the dozens of little yellow sticky notes are becoming a nuisance – (it’s not my book so I can’t highlight or mark the gems on the pages) – I will be going online to buy it. I will also be buying as many copies of this little treasure as I can afford and then parceling them out to friends, who I know will devour it as I have. Christmas gifts will be pretty well covered this year, too. And I will tell my remaining acquaintances to run, not walk, to the bookstore and buy their own copy. Thank you for taking on the challenge – and for staying hungry to speak the truth.
Ali from New Jersey
In the name of God, the most compassionate, the most merciful.
Dave,
I really enjoyed reading your book. It might suprise you to learn that I am a practicing Muslim, but I listen to Chrisitan radio to get ideas for our own communities. You face the same problems that we do, and in fact, Muslims and Christians have more in common than they have differnces. (E.g. we both Believe in the Virgin Mary, and we both acknowledge Jesus as sent by God to deliver a message)
One of the points that you made in your book was that people have taken verses out of context in the Bible to suit their own purposes and justify their own actions, and we face the same problem in the Muslim community.
You also stated that we as humans quickly condemn those who dont share our ideas, thoughts and beliefs, and we make an effort to force our ideas and beliefs on others without understanding their ideas and beliefs. This problem exists at large in all communities, be they Christian, or be they Muslim, or be they any other community.
People dont look at the bigger picture.
Thank you.
Ali from New Jersey
United Muslims Organization
Cheryl, Minnesota "nice"
I finally found someone who knows what I go through each day. I work in a Christian Bookstore and only you would understand the behavior I see from customers (brothers and sisters in Christ). Just a month before your book came out my husband and I were talking about behavior of customers in the Christian marketplace. I could tell so many hair raising stories (material for a sequel!), but I’ll spare you the details. Anyway, I told him I would love to write a book and give it to every customer. He said if I was going to tell about other Christians poor behavior than I would have to start with myself. (Ouch!) And then came your book…thank you 10 times over. I did a book report on your book that goes into a customer resource at our store. I have recommended your book to many people; i wont give up my copy! Again THANK YOU!
Carolyn Ratthy
🙂 Okay, so … ‘just found your website. ‘Haven’t “surfed” through it, as yet. O, but I will. Just wanted to thank you for your love of Christ, and your committment to the cause … but especially for your understanding of “grace”. 🙂 My thanks to your wife, as well. Surely she must be your second best source of encouragement. (Christ being first, of course.)
Surely you have given me far more credit than I deserve. Simply remember me (our radio conversation) fondly; and I shall forever keep you and yours in my prayers.
Thank you, Dave. God be with you, and yours, always.
Frank E. Short fshort3323@aol.com
I am almost finished with your book and loving every minute of it. I have laughed and cringed simultaneously through most of it. Thanks for being real.
mike springer springmj2@yahoo.com
mr. dave,
i am passing along to others to read your book when bad christians happen to good people.i found it very true in many churches no matter what denomination.i attended a promise keepers meeting and one of the speakers there tony evans i beleive said that the largest group of biggots were
the church goers.the walls of some churches need to be torn down.they feel comfortable with their own kind and own kind only.if you are not like them to the letter they will not have anything to do with you.your book addressed what had to be addressed.keep up the good work.
mike
Greg
This book brings me to tears. My wife has been so, so hurt by “bad christians” that she is now a devout atheist. The “christian” community has become the reason for so much pain, intolerance, selfishness, greed, moral decay, hatred, and bigotry in the world today. Christianity has become the “Darth Vader”, the “dark side” of society. I am part of the problem. It’s my outer man I fight to allow my inner man to live. Thanks for the spiritual help to become the man Christ intended me to be.
Rochelle
Dave: While I was looking at books at the church bookstore, your book jumped out of a display holder and onto the floor in front of another man looking at books (no one had touched it). I felt nudged that it might be the book I needed to read, and asked what the title was. I laughed with joy. Thanks for sharing! It helped heal those bits of bitterness hiding in the corners of my heart, and helped me to get up the courage to get back to church. Thanks!
Bruce Roberts Dreisbach
Dave: This is fan mail from your author buddy Bruce Dreisbach. I’m reading your book as was bowled over by your insights on p.130ff. The whole notion of Christians’ self- sabatoge being like blacks… Never heard it before and its a powerful insight. Thanks!
ps About your website… your wife is a lot better looking than you. So is your dog. Good idea to add them to the site.
Dan & Amy Becker
Dave, it was great to talk with you yesterday, Amy stills smiles remembering back to the old days, hard to believe that was 17 years ago. Good luck with the book and our Texas Rangers, yes I am still a fan. My son Cole just doesn’t understand how I can like teams like the Cowboys, Rangers and the Warriors.. there’s a lot of suffering in our house at times. Hope we can catch up in person sometime, say hi to Joni.
John Vaudry vaudry@scsinternet.com
Hi Dave,
Thanks for your book When Bad Christians Happen to Good People. I just finished it and must say I was entertained, challenged and moved by it. Perhaps there were one or two places where I’d raise an eyebrow (e.g., on WWJD).I’m a pastor who will probably be using some of the excellent quotes and illustrations you gave.
A couple of comments. On p 225 you mention William Wilberforce. He was not a bishop, but a layman.As you say, he was an MP. His third son, Samuel, became Bishop of Oxford in the Church of England. Also, he did not grow up under the ministry of John Newton, but was his friend.
I also hope you’ll let me brag a little as a Canadian. James Naismith, inventor of basketball, was born in Canada and graduated from Presbyterian College, Montreal(my alma mater)!
Now back to my usual heavier reading of Calvin, Augustine and Peter Lombard (just kidding!). Thanks again for saying some things that needed to be said.
In Christ,
John Vaudry
Robin Keller
KUDOS to Dave!
Regina, Sanford, Fl
Dave,
I am in the misses of writing a devotional for our ladies retreat. See we want to say in the most loving way, what you say in the must humous way. We need to examine the inside of the cup not the only the out side. I told My pastor about this book, I am a very busy women, but every second of free time I get I read your book I want to finish, so I can pass it on to him, (maybe I’ll tell him to buy his own).I hope you don’t mind if I use some of your own qoutes (I’ll give you the credit that way they cann’t blame me)they just hit home. They prick and heal at the same time.
Kimberly, Phoenix, AZ
Hello!
I heard to you talk on the Tim Kimmel Live show and you did an outstanding job. Thank you for writing on this subject, and I look forward to reading your book. May God richly bless you.
Ray Flowers, Dallas, Texas
My name is Ray Flowers from Dallas. I read the book last weekend. I then had Dave on my talk radio program two days later. WOW! The reception from listeners was terrific! We had more callers than we could handle. Dave is onto something here…..it’s called “Clean up thine own house”.
You are touching people, Dave. Thanks and keep up the good work.
James D. Smart, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
I stumbled accross your book at a christian book store here in Milwaukee. I skimmed a couple of chapters and realizied this guy is on to something. That was Saturday, today is Monday and I just finished the book. I loved it. When I got to chapter 8, I could’nt stop laughing. It really struck a nerve.:) God Bless You and keep up the good work.
Lee Saunders, Texas
I bought the book while on a trip out of town last week and couldn’t put it down. I finished the last three chapters on the plane on the way home, and got some interesting looks and comments from a couple of people sitting nearby. Perhaps they got hold of a copy.
It was great, aside from your obvious bias about George W. Bush which, after reading the book, I am graciously willing to forgive (ha ha ha!, just kidding; see, I did learn something from it!). Seriously, I don’t think I have read anything as thought provoking and action provoking in a long long time. Thank you.
Bruce Kempf, Montana
I just purchased the book last week, find the title very interesting. I went right to page 194 — I am a big fan of Sam Cooke!
Ronnett Hemmings
When I saw the title I knew it had to be an interesting book. Reading the first paragraph of the first chapter, I said to myself this man knows me. I will recomend this book has much as I can. God Bless you Mr. Burchett and keep em coming.
Nichole, California
My mom bought your book 5 days ago, she’s read it, Im reading it now and plan to pass it on soon…
Rebecca Adkins, Lexington KY
I’ve only read the intro. I can’t wait for the rest.
Scott Dailey, Arlington, Texas
Congratulations to you Dave! I fully intend on getting the real book soon and look forward to being challenged. That .com thing you added all by yourself. , great idea. I’d get a patent on it if I were you.
Dick Allender, Sevrna Park Maryland
It has been a long time I have read a book straight through, but that is what I did with your book. Thanks for a thought provoking day.
Scott Snyder
I hope your book is as successfull as your
ACC broadcasts this year. Actually, I hope it does
better than that! Congrats!
Phillip
Dave, read your book today. Very awesome, I liked it a whole bunch
Elven Lindblad
Dave: Read the intro and first chapter and I’m chomping at the bit to get the entire book ASAP. If you’ve seen those commercials for Golden Corral restaurants where the skillet to the back of the head brings home the obvious facts, just these snippets from your book have been the skillet to the back of my spiritual noggin. There are a lot of cracks in my spiritual foundation and your book is helping fix things and make things much stronger than before. You’ve been an inspiration to me all these years on the JP games in Arkansas and in the NBA and I look forward to seeing you soon. My prayers and thoughts are with you and your family, as always.
Debbie Bower
Hi there, Dave! Great site… I will definitely pass it on to friends and family! It was great to see you again, while you were visiting WaterBrook… Happy 2002 to you and your family!
Alice Bourdon
Dave, Sue Bohlin passed the good word along about your book. Please give my greetings to your wife and kids….although, like ours they will say, “WHOOOO?” We are involved in work and ministry in the Kansas City area…what are you up to these days?
Alice Bourdon
Jon Simkins
I read the first chapter. It was like having a 44 mag. pointed at my forehead and wondering when this thing was going to go off. It did half way through the first chapter. I saw myself exposed and ashamed. Dave it’s very convicting and unsettling to find yourself in the crosshairs of truth. Thanks for stepping up to the plate and saying what we “christians” need to hear.
Anita Baxter
Dave,
I love your first chapter. Any Christian who can read the first chapter and not recognize at least something in him or herself had better take off the “blinders” quickly before he runs into something and hurts himself.
I, too, proudly call myself a friend of Sue Bolin and will purchase your book.
Mary Word
Congratulations, Dave! At Sue’s recommendation, I joined the group of those who have read the intro and first chapter of your book and am going to purchase the book today to read the rest. All the best to you and Joni!
Sue Bohlin
After reading the manuscript, one (or two or three) chapters at a time, it is tremendously exciting to see your book as a BOOK! 🙂
I have rarely enjoyed reading a book as much as I did yours, Dave, because there aren’t too many that make me burst out laughing AND feed my mind too!
God’s richest blessings on you and Joni.
Alice Tucker
Dave, I’m Roger Crawford’s sister. He told me he is sending us a copy of the book–I’m looking forward to it. If he recommends it, I know it will be good.
David Rolph
There is a can of Dr. Pepper waiting for you at Carlos O’Kelly’s. The church is a community or it’s nothing at all. Thanks for blessing us with the book.
Roger Crawford
Dave, I just read the intro and first chapter. I can’t wait to read the rest. Sometimes seeing ourselves or those like us in print can be quite uncomfortable, but necessary. I look forward to being awakened and inspired. See you back on the Big 12 tour in January!
Renée Johnson
Just finished the intro and will buy this book at first opportunity. As far as I’m concerned, your lack of seminary degree is your best qualification. The God I see in the Bible uses the regular guys of this world, not the “experts” who often become too wise in their own eyes. Good work!
Terry DeCarlis Charlotte NC
Congratulations. I look forward to reading the book and sharing it with others.
I missed you during football season but I was a good audience and you guys did a heck of a job.
Have a great Christmas and New Year. Oh yeah, and get some rest so you can deal with Scooter on Jan. 5th.
Dave Johnson
Hi, Dave. I just finished the introduction and I will be buying the book today. I’m not good with expression, but, it just seems that you’ve always brought a “peace” to the directors chair that permeates the entire crew. Now, if we could just see you more often on JP2, or make that the JP “A” unit!
Bill Winn, Atlanta, Georgia
I just finished the introduction and am very impressed. Sounds like a good start on getting my priorities in order. I’ve missed you Dave!
Tim LeBoeuf
Good luck Dave it’s great when someone follows through. If you do go fishing with Wayne I know T-BONE and I could shoot it and sell it(Funniest home videos or most amazing police chases). Take Care.
Sheldon M Smith
Happy Holidays Dave And Congrats on realizing a long held dream come true.
Steve Wiggins
Way to go Dave! Looking forward to reading your book. I know that you’ve worked really hard on it and that it’s a labor of love.
I’m also looking forward to reading the sequel: “When Bad Directors Happen to Good Shooters.” or is it “When Meetings Outlast The Game”. : )
Jill McDevitt
Congratulations Dave, I’m looking forward to reading it. I missed working with you during football season. I’m sure you kept everyone amused and caffeinated. Hope you and the family have a good holiday.
Wayne Barry
I’m still waiting to take you trout fishing in the Ga. Mtns.
When I hear that you are directing a game that I am working,
I know that it will be a joy.
Wayne Barry
STEVEN HEINZ
Dave…Although I don’t know you, I do know you are a ray of light to the people who work in your field. I can wait to read this book! Thanks for this ministry….
Pete Redpath
Congratulations, Dave, on your publication. I look forward to reading it and hopefully will be able to see you some time down the road. It was always a pleasure working with you.
T- Bone Tony Marshall
Congrats author on your publication! I love when good things happen to good people. Now give me some work!
Just kidding.
Reggie Wade
The first chapter was interesting and thought provoking. I can’t wait to get the book and see how you address the other parts of christianity and churchs. Many of your thoughts are similar to my own, although not as well expressed as yours. I see my life and christianity, or lack of, reflected in your writing.
Play ball, drop the puck, fall off a log, break a leg, and race car spelled backwards is “Race Car”. yeah I left a few out.
Sherry Burns
The book is excellent and the gentleman that wrote it is the best brother any sister could ever have. I LOVE YOU AND I AM SO PROUD OF YOU. May God Richly Bless you and I pray the book will open the eyes of our lukewarm churches across the country.